Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[stethoscope]

We'll soon be reaching 'scratch a liberal, find a...' territory

 

[krtek a houby]

Because the electorate don't know how to do it, so shift responsibility to the Tories to do it for them, and the Tories are experts at self serving exploitation for their own ends.
The nature of what constitutes democratic is questionable anyway. 16 and 17 year old people were not able to participate in that so called democratic exercise.

The electorate don't know how to vote? Or they don't know what their own wishes are?

 

[kabbes]

Is 'fuck off' the best you can do?
You voted brexit, and the consequence of that is to give confidence to the Tories.

Which is why they had a majority the day before the vote and don’t now.

 

[Rob Ray]

Philosophical for goodness' sake stop, this is making my toes curl.

 

[philosophical]

The electorate don't know how to vote? Or they don't know what their own wishes are?

I am sorry if I wasn't clear. The electorate don't know how to do brexit, how to make it happen if you like. They know how to vote, as for their individual wishes I imagine they are many and varied, but overall the consequence of their vote is to condemn me at least to an eternity of Tory or Tory-lite rule, and to whip up a hatred towards foreigners as my wife and son could testify. I wonder if brexit voters are concerned that their actions have led to the validation of racism.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am trying not to dress my posts with abuse as you tend to do, because I don't want you to feel flattered by imitation.

yeh. you started abusing me, not the other way round: bertie big bollocks a term of endearment down your way? you really are the most clueless twat it's ever been my misfortune to happen across.

 

[philosophical]

Philosophical for goodness' sake stop, this is making my toes curl.

A fan or censorship or persuasion?

 

[stethoscope]

Is 'fuck off' the best you can do?
You voted brexit, and the consequence of that is to give confidence to the Tories.

You mean the Tories that were supposedly in a commanding lead before the EU ref and were going to settle this division once and for all, whilst Labour were going to be 'destroyed for a generation'. And instead we now have Tory infighting at its worse, absolutely clueless what to do because Cameron's big head didn't plan for a leave vote, May hemorrhaging votes having ill-advisadly called an election, and a resurgent Labour led by Corbyn. Yes, confidence working out there for them

 

[Rob Ray]

More "oh God he really doesn't see how much of a fool he's making of himself, this is painful to watch".

 

[Pickman's model]

No it is your beloved brexit voters who want to take back control.

why do you quote me in this post?

 

[Pickman's model]

I speak for me isn't that good enough for you? Does your control freakery disallow that, as you scour this board for support and deny your earlier threats?

i don't have to deny any threats as i have made no threats.

 

[philosophical]

yeh. you started the abuse: bertie big bollocks a term of endearment down your way? you really are the most clueless twat it's ever been my misfortune to happen across.

Look in the mirror then if you want an encounter with cluelessness.
My Bertie Big Bollocks retort was after your threat of violence towards me, not before. If you don't believe I have the right to defend myself against your attacks you are the clueless twat.

 

[Pickman's model]

Look in the mirror then if you want an encounter with cluelessness.
My Bertie Big Bollocks retort was after your threat of violence towards me, not before. If you don't believe I have the right to defend myself against your attacks you are the clueless twat.

there has been no threat of violence. and i see now you're saying it's fine for you to abuse people but heaven forfend they respond in kind.

 

[kabbes]

the consequence of their vote is to condemn me at least to an eternity of Tory or Tory-lite rule

Have you actually been paying attention to anything since the referendum result? Did the 2017 election completely bypass you?

 

[philosophical]

i don't have to deny any threats as i have made no threats.

Yes you have, and this is now denial squared.

 

[Pickman's model]

A fan or censorship or persuasion?

it is a truth universally acknowledged that philosophical is a can short of a crate.

e2a: or is that pride and prejudice?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes you have, and this is now denial squared.

yeh. if you think there's been a threat of violence you should bring it to the attention of the board moderators, who i am sure will treat any report you care to make with the attention it deserves.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Is 'fuck off' the best you can do?

Europe also contains working class people in Mediterranean countries struggling to help refugees, and twat Angela Merkel opened Germany's doors to many others before slamming it the fuck shut again.
By voting brexit you and your mates are slamming the door in the EU's face whilst hoping Greece will be next in line to do the same

I quite Agree!

 

[philosophical]

You mean the Tories that were supposedly in a commanding lead before the EU ref and were going to settle this division once and for all, whilst Labour were going to be 'destroyed for a generation'. And instead we now have Tory infighting at its worse, absolutely clueless what to do because Cameron's big head didn't plan for a leave vote, May hemorrhaging votes having ill-advisadly called an election, and a resurgent Labour led by Corbyn. Yes, confidence working out there for them

I am not suggesting it is working out, indeed glad it seems to not be. However your brexit vote fuels their confidence as they go on about the 'will of the people', you people.

 

[philosophical]

why do you quote me in this post?

Which post? Maybe it is something about how this site works.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am not suggesting it is working out, indeed glad it seems to not be. However your brexit vote fuels their confidence as they go on about the 'will of the people', you people.

narodnaya volya

 

[philosophical]

there has been no threat of violence. and i see now you're saying it's fine for you to abuse people but heaven forfend they respond in kind.

It is about the order of events. You attack and I defend.

 

[Pickman's model]

Which post? Maybe it is something about how this site works.

this post

 

[philosophical]

it is a truth universally acknowledged that philosophical is a can short of a crate.

e2a: or is that pride and prejudice?

Universally acknowledged. Your craving for validation emerges again.

 

[Pickman's model]

It is about the order of events. You attack and I defend.

so your introduction of abuse into the exchange was purely defensive and, i suppose, intended to calm things down and prevent things you considered further attacks.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Ooops, edited out "German twat" to just twat as it sounded I like I was using German as a slur, apols Germany.

 

[kabbes]

I am not suggesting it is working out, indeed glad it seems to not be. However your brexit vote fuels their confidence as they go on about the 'will of the people', you people.

So the thing people inadvertently voted for, ie perpetual Toryism, has turned out to not be a thing they inadvertently voted for, because it hasn’t happened in line with the fact that they never actually intended it to happen? Well, that’s a relief. Or it was a bullshit assumption in the first place. I always get those two mixed up.

 

[krtek a houby]

I am sorry if I wasn't clear. The electorate don't know how to do brexit, how to make it happen if you like. They know how to vote, as for their individual wishes I imagine they are many and varied, but overall the consequence of their vote is to condemn me at least to an eternity of Tory or Tory-lite rule, and to whip up a hatred towards foreigners as my wife and son could testify. I wonder if brexit voters are concerned that their actions have led to the validation of racism.

I dunno, I can't speak for them, nor would I even try to. I've learnt my lesson on making sweeping generalisations.

Tory rule would have continued (imho) with or without Brexit happening. The odds (sadly) are against a Labour govt.

 

[Pickman's model]

Universally acknowledged. Your craving for validation emerges again.

jesus mary and joseph.

it's a reference to jane austen:



the opening line of pride and prejudice, rather than possession. my bad.

 

[stethoscope]

I am not suggesting it is working out, indeed glad it seems to not be. However your brexit vote fuels their confidence as they go on about the 'will of the people', you people.

If you mean 'you people' as against borders, anti-Tory, anti-capitalist, demolish EU neoliberal structures, pro-working class, communist, sort of people?