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Today's "intervention" has provided a perhaps convenient distraction from where the discussion about the irish border stuff had got to yesterday, which was something like "but can't we just not have any import tariffs at all".
"Which was something like".... You're twisting peoples words again. You really cant help yourself can you.. Its a rhetorical style that only causes trouble and gets in the way of any informative, progressive discussions.
Give it a rest ffs
 
Since you've mentioned our discussion was going somewhere....

I would say leaving it up to the EU is precisely the right move. Let the Irish government and EU build a border if they want one - and show their true colours.

Since when has the British state been neighbourly anyway? And even assuming we had a progressive government then yes, they would need to playhardball with Irelands pro-EU centre-right new leader. Greece tried playing nice while negotiating with the EU and look how that went.

Neighbourly is ensuring a decent future for Ireland. What future is there when/if another Eurozone or global recession takes place and Ireland gets shafted again with another forced bailout?

I feel like your arguments assume a constant - that had remain won things would have stayed hunky dorey in Europe, Ireland, Britain etc. The same issues would be going on. There would still be dissident republicans and risks of violence and the island of Ireland would still be divided and at the mercy of bigger more powerful forces in Brussels. Possibly even more than it is currently. The EU has backed down from hardballing Spain and Italy since the Brexit vote, I know that for a fact. For them, now is the time to win liberal hearts and minds, not business as usual. But no good PR campaign is carried out just for its own sake or for meaningless popularity.

As it stands, the EU seems fully prepared to sacrifice Ireland on the altar if it means a tough hand against Britain. Whose interests are being considered by these A-E narrow options which are the only ones on the table, apparently.

Anyway, what do you think will be the implications of right of all norn Ireland peeps to have Irish passports? What do you see happening in Ireland?
You are missing out a lot. It is the UK that voted brexit to regain control of its borders not the Irish or the EU. Or maybe you think it wasn't about 'taking back control'.
Now you suggest the UK abandons that aspect of brexit. To me you are suggesting avoiding responsibility for the brexit vote and it's consequences.
It is typical of brexit voters to run away from the difficulties they have caused, it is the UK showing it's 'true colours'.
 
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Yeh. You seem to be alone in discerning any suggestion of a semblance of a threat of violence. I've said none was intended. You're calling me a liar. You can fuck off.

As is well known this is a south London based board. Yet no one else including those from south london is taking your side as no one agrees with you

Perhaps you might find other Internet sites more to your taste
You speak for everyone do you?
Prove it.
Your embarrassment at suggesting a violent head injury is understandable I suppose, as is your desire for control and censorship, but reflect. I didn't suggest you received blows to the head, but you suggested I should.
So fuck off yourself, and stop trying to excuse your propensity towards violence by turning it into a rant against me. Look in the mirror.
 
I note Irish republicans have proposed a solution to the national question for many decades, yet you show no interest in that. Why?
You are interested in why?
Irish republicans have proposed united Ireland, a victory for nationalism. I see nationalism as akin to fascism and would prefer no borders anywhere.
Brexit voters who use the term 'we' when talking about the UK don't speak for me and some others as part of that 'we', they speak for the vile UK nationalists who reenforced that nationalism by voting brexit.
 
I didn't like it either, initially, but the people have spoken. Why go against the democratic wishes of the electorate?
Because the electorate don't know how to do it, so shift responsibility to the Tories to do it for them, and the Tories are experts at self serving exploitation for their own ends.
The nature of what constitutes democratic is questionable anyway. 16 and 17 year old people were not able to participate in that so called democratic exercise.
 
You speak for everyone do you?
Prove it.
Your embarrassment at suggesting a violent head injury is understandable I suppose, as is your desire for control and censorship, but reflect. I didn't suggest you received blows to the head, but you suggested I should.
So fuck off yourself, and stop trying to excuse your propensity towards violence by turning it into a rant against me. Look in the mirror.
I don't speak for everyone but no one speaks for you. I didn't suggest you should receive blows to the head but don't just take my word for it, revisit the posts you've so signally misunderstood.
 
You are interested in why?
Irish republicans have proposed united Ireland, a victory for nationalism. I see nationalism as akin to fascism and would prefer no borders anywhere.
Brexit voters who use the term 'we' when talking about the UK don't speak for me and some others as part of that 'we', they speak for the vile UK nationalists who reenforced that nationalism by voting brexit.
Yeh people struggling to end an oppressor's rule are fascistic. Is that what you made of other anti-colonial struggles? Here's a tip: try to make your opinions ones worth holding rather than ones which make you look a clueless twat.
 
I don't speak for everyone but no one speaks for you. I didn't suggest you should receive blows to the head but don't just take my word for it, revisit the posts you've so signally misunderstood.
I speak for me isn't that good enough for you? Does your control freakery disallow that, as you scour this board for support and deny your earlier threats?
 
Yeh people struggling to end an oppressor's rule are fascistic. Is that what you made of other anti-colonial struggles? Here's a tip: try to make your opinions ones worth holding rather than ones which make you look a clueless twat.
Other anti colonial struggles were a fight against often violent oppression (something I imagine you know about given your own violent tendencies), not a struggle to establish fascistic nationalistic governments, which was the unintended consequence of those struggles very often.
The consequence of the brexit vote will be similar in my view, and reading some of the posts on here from Brexit voters I can see fascist authoritarianism arriving quite soon.
I am trying not to dress my posts with abuse as you tend to do, because I don't want you to feel flattered by imitation.
 
Not at all, you can call me a cunt all you like (ironic as yesterday you spoke of our fair language), but if you voted brexit accept you are in bed with Boris and the rest. Have a nice cuddle.
Well, there was no "get rid of the Tories" option on the ballot. I don't vote Tory, I don't vote for the right wing migrant drowning EU. Yet those who voted for the latter have the moral high ground ? Fuck off.
 
Yeh people struggling to end an oppressor's rule are fascistic. Is that what you made of other anti-colonial struggles? Here's a tip: try to make your opinions ones worth holding rather than ones which make you look a clueless twat.
Well, there was no "get rid of the Tories" option on the ballot. I don't vote Tory, I don't vote for the right wing migrant drowning EU. Yet those who voted for the latter have the moral high ground ? Fuck off.
Is 'fuck off' the best you can do?
You voted brexit, and the consequence of that is to give confidence to the Tories. If that concerns you why did you do it?
The migrant drowning EU also contains Mediterranean countries struggling to help refugees, and Germany opened its doors to many others.
By voting brexit you and your mates are slamming the door in the face of refugees and migrants, and Boris and his mates are probably privately commenting on what mugs you are.
 
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