Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[DotCommunist]

If there’s a sudden glut of would be au pairs in Ireland, I suspect it will have more to do with recent court decisions extending the minimum wage and other employment protections to au pairs than it will with fear of Brexit.

(The horrified coverage of the minimum wage decision in the media here was almost as funny as the horrified coverage of the Jobstown acquittals. Our court system is usually pretty reliable from an establishment point of view and the papers don’t take it well when something goes wrong and the plebeians win).

this is fairly bitter and pompous in the IT (I had to look did't I) The idea of the trial being politically motivated should be 'treated with the derison it deserves' and 'the jury we're all but nobbled and the trial a fix, but we can't say that straight'

Jobstown acquittals: jury trials under strain

 

[Nigel Irritable]

this is fairly bitter and pompous in the IT (I had to look did't I) The idea of the trial being politically motivated should be 'treated with the derison it deserves' and 'the jury we're all but nobbled and the trial a fix, but we can't say that straight'

Jobstown acquittals: jury trials under strain

Half the journalists in Ireland were on twitter mournfully declaring that the fascist mob had won. It was great.

The squealing about the injustice of having to pay au pairs was more personal. It was less about the right wing media’s world view and more about columnists and journalists panicking at the prospect of having to pay the help. A sample: Equating au pairs with employees is ludicrous

 

[The39thStep]

If the elite ever cared about the have-nots, that didn’t last long | John Harris

 

[not-bono-ever]

eta.
weak.

 

[DexterTCN]

If the elite ever cared about the have-nots, that didn’t last long | John Harris

This is not to dispute that Brexit is a bad idea, or that the people who have taken charge of the process are inept beyond words.

but also....

The angels of their better natures are present and correct, if only the supposed forces of progress would finally create conditions in which they could fly. Have we forgotten so quickly?

I think he might mean the angel of the north. Or beelzebub, maybe. It's unclear.

 

[butchersapron]

but also....

I think he might mean the angel of the north. Or beelzebub, maybe. It's unclear.

It's very clear.

A) that there is a lot of sneery liberals who support remain who painted their support in terms of giving a shit for the working class - and that now this mask has been dropped

B) Posh people have trapped and enclosed all avenues for class betterment to the benefit of their own elite careers

 

[butchersapron]

but also....

I think he might mean the angel of the north. Or beelzebub, maybe. It's unclear.

All your posts over the last year are utter drivel btw. Incoherent gluehead drivel. Like a man remembering what he meant to say to someone else years ago about something that he wants to happen but has dodgy reasons to not be able to say what he wants to happen

 

[8115]

We're almost halfway through the formal leaving process.

What's actually been agreed so far?

 

[butchersapron]

We're almost halfway through the formal leaving process.

What's actually been agreed so far?

Are we?

That we're out.

 

[8115]

Are we?

That we're out.

Yeah, they just seem to be leaving a lot to the last minute though.

 

[Pickman's model]

We're almost halfway through the formal leaving process.

What's actually been agreed so far?

Brexit means brexit. Or maybe not.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Brexit means brexit. Or maybe not.

It's quite striking that no preparations seem to be being made to replicate the EU-wide stuff that will now need to be done in-house. Like, none at all.

 

[Raheem]

It's quite striking that no preparations seem to be being made to replicate the EU-wide stuff that will now need to be done in-house. Like, none at all.

...that would need to be done in-house.

 

[agricola]

It's quite striking that no preparations seem to be being made to replicate the EU-wide stuff that will now need to be done in-house. Like, none at all.

Yes, but we manage to travel to Tower Hill (changing at Victoria) so everything will be alright.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

...that would need to be done in-house.

Good point, subtly expressed

 

[Supine]

We're almost halfway through the formal leaving process.

What's actually been agreed so far?

Brexit means brexit

 

[Riklet]

Terrible tactical decision by Labour and Corbyn.

Christ they really have no bloody spine or bottle. What a crackingly shit negotiating position 'a customs union' is.

Every relieved businessman, farmer and luvvie remainer is another nail in the coffin for Labour's chances of winning an election and doing anything remotely radical.

 

[Wolveryeti]

Christ they really have no bloody spine or bottle. What a crackingly shit negotiating position 'a customs union' is.

I disagree - to me it is just pragmatism and pre-empting the government which will I think as a minimum have to accept a CU as a precondition for any deal. This is because it avoids a hard border in NI, and I don't believe the Parliamentary maths will allow one between GB and NI. Can't see the EU ever selling out Ireland on that given that the article 50 clock running down means all the EU need to do is wait for the UK to fold.

 

[andysays]

Looks like 'something' may actually happen today

EU to publish first draft of Brexit treaty

 

[butchersapron]

Terrible tactical decision by Labour and Corbyn.

Christ they really have no bloody spine or bottle. What a crackingly shit negotiating position 'a customs union' is.

Every relieved businessman, farmer and luvvie remainer is another nail in the coffin for Labour's chances of winning an election and doing anything remotely radical.

Agree. Terrible politics.

 

[teuchter]

Terrible tactical decision by Labour and Corbyn.

Christ they really have no bloody spine or bottle. What a crackingly shit negotiating position 'a customs union' is.

Every relieved businessman, farmer and luvvie remainer is another nail in the coffin for Labour's chances of winning an election and doing anything remotely radical.

What should they have done instead and how would the irish issue be dealt with?

 

[toblerone3]

Terrible tactical decision by Labour and Corbyn.

Christ they really have no bloody spine or bottle. What a crackingly shit negotiating position 'a customs union' is.

Every relieved businessman, farmer and luvvie remainer is another nail in the coffin for Labour's chances of winning an election and doing anything remotely radical.

I'm not convinced at all that it is a terrible tactical decision. Its not a winner in its own right agreed, but its probably a step towards a more reasonable position.

 

[Hollis]

If it's a step towards second referendum or Labour campaigning to remain all the better..

 

[sealion]

If it's a step towards second referendum or Labour campaigning to remain all the better..

Isn't Corbyn anti EU ?

 

[redsquirrel]

I'm not convinced at all that it is a terrible tactical decision. Its not a winner in its own right agreed, but its probably a step towards a more reasonable position.

What's a reasonable position in your view?

 

[toblerone3]

We need to keep the option of abandoning Brexit entirely. If this is done a compact is needed to address some of the real world reasons why some people voted for Brexit (apart from the most overtly racist reasons for voting for Brexit). We need to heal the wounds of what is proving to be a deeply divisive episode.

 

[Pickman's model]

We need to keep the option of abandoning Brexit entirely. If this is done a compact is needed to address some of the real world reasons why some people voted for Brexit (apart from the most overtly racist reasons for voting for Brexit). We need to heal the wounds of what is proving to be a deeply divisive episode.

ok. we stay in the eu, lots of unhappy people. we leave the eu, lots of unhappy people. we have some sort of in between arrangement with the eu, lots of unhappy people. just how would you propose that 'the wounds of what is proving to be a deeply divisive episode' be healed?

 

[mojo pixy]

Trench warfare.

 

[Pickman's model]

Trench warfare.

divisions from trench warfare have healed well in europe and america

 

[sleaterkinney]

Terrible tactical decision by Labour and Corbyn.

Christ they really have no bloody spine or bottle. What a crackingly shit negotiating position 'a customs union' is.

Every relieved businessman, farmer and luvvie remainer is another nail in the coffin for Labour's chances of winning an election and doing anything remotely radical.

Didn't the majority of Labour voters vote remain?

It's a great move, backs May even further into a corner.