Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Pickman's model]

Didn't the majority of Labour voters vote remain?

It's a great move, backs May even further into a corner.

Don't want may backed into a corner, want her defenestrated

 

[not-bono-ever]

literally?

 

[toblerone3]

ok. we stay in the eu, lots of unhappy people. we leave the eu, lots of unhappy people. we have some sort of in between arrangement with the eu, lots of unhappy people. just how would you propose that 'the wounds of what is proving to be a deeply divisive episode' be healed?

The healing is going to be difficult whatever happens and I think that perhaps we have got a lot more trench warfare fighting to be done first.

 

[Pickman's model]

The healing is going to be difficult whatever happens and I think that perhaps we have got a lot more trench warfare fighting to be done first.

Yeh? Who's in these trenches of yours?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it labour v tory?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it may v barnier?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it the serried ranks of Brexit voters v metropolitan elites?

 

[stethoscope]

The healing is going to be difficult whatever happens and I think that perhaps we have got a lot more trench warfare fighting to be done first.

Healing like this you mean? Nah, off you fuck

 

[toblerone3]

Is it labour v tory?

Well I'm hoping that Labour will be a stalwart against HARD brexit, but also remainer Tories, SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Sinn Fein and the DUP.

 

[stethoscope]

Well I'm hoping that Labour will be a stalwart against HARD brexit, but also remainer Tories, SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Sinn Fein and the DUP.

Liberal, anti-socialist politics. Right there.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well I'm hoping that Labour will be a stalwart against HARD brexit, but also remainer Tories, SNP, Greens, Lib Dems and Sinn Fein and the DUP.

The choice is stop in EU or hard brexit. Soft brexit is a myth
A customs union won’t help – there is no such thing as a ‘soft’ Brexit | Vernon Bogdanor

 

[teqniq]

Meanwhile that nice Mr.Macron is taking on the unions over workers rights and the future of SNCF. The article claims that the publicly owned company is haemorrhaging money but provides no sources for these claims though interestingly does provide links for similar claims in regard to Network Rail...

Contrary to Macron's claims it looks like the first steps towards privatisation to me and anyway why should i take the word of a one-time investment banker?

 

[toblerone3]

Liberal, anti-socialist politics. Right there.

Not necessarily.

 

[toblerone3]

The choice is stop in EU or hard brexit. Soft brexit is a myth
A customs union won’t help – there is no such thing as a ‘soft’ Brexit | Vernon Bogdanor

I agree. The British electorate ended up voting for something which is impossible.

 

[stethoscope]

Not necessarily.

Not neccessarily? You're advocating a 'rainbow coalition' for remain of neoliberal parties including the Tories and DUP!

 

[stethoscope]

Meanwhile that nice Mr.Macron is taking on the unions over workers rights and the future of SNCF. The article claims that the publicly owned company is haemorrhaging money but provides no sources for these claims though interestingly does provide links for similar claims in regard to Network Rail...

Not just Macron it should be noted, EU institutions have already been making demands for France to weaken and reform labour/worker rights - make their labour force 'more flexible'.

Going back to 2014, privatisation of the SNCF was already on the cards and was EU-led.

 

[toblerone3]

Not neccessarily? You're advocating a 'rainbow coalition' for remain of neoliberal parties including the Tories and DUP!

Not a coalition just a means to an end of defeating Hard Brexit.

 

[stethoscope]

Not a coalition just a means to an end of defeating Hard Brexit.

Somehow 'defeating hard brexit' by aligning with Tories, DUP and other neoliberal parties, and then regarding it as 'not neccessarily' anti-socialist is proper fucking nonsense.

 

[not-bono-ever]

none of the solutuions on offer would seem to realistically offer much in the ways of a path to socialism, however this is hoped for. shit always rises to the top and all that. . i am a pessimist though

 

[Kaka Tim]

Somehow 'defeating hard brexit' by aligning with Tories, DUP and other neoliberal parties, and then regarding it as 'not neccessarily' anti-socialist is proper fucking nonsense.

yes it is.

But alinging with a coalition of ultra right wing tories, UKIPers and the DUP to ensure hard brexit is not exactly bringing britain to socialism either.

but that's the choices that we are being offered.

And the EU's laying down of the law today looks like they are going to use brexit as an opportunity to fuck the UK up the arse whatever happens.

 

[stethoscope]

I mean, by all means argue against a hard brexit, but on that basis, fuck me.

 

[stethoscope]

And the EU's laying down of the law today looks like they are going to use brexit as an opportunity to fuck the UK up the arse whatever happens.

Isn't the EU a force for good

Inbetween screwing over French workers.

 

[butchersapron]

Wtf is this choice? Where do i register my input tim?

 

[Kaka Tim]

Wtf is this choice? Where do i register my input tim?

here you go

The world’s platform for change

with enough people signing - we can get that input DEBATED IN PARLIAMENT.

 

[Smangus]

Trench warfare.

With a Christmas footy truce

 

[mojo pixy]

divisions from trench warfare have healed well in europe and america

TBF though everyone involved is dead now. Maybe that's how Brexit will end up working.

 

[Pickman's model]

TBF though everyone involved is dead now. Maybe that's how Brexit will end up working.

A better call to hurry it up I've never heard. Quick, a ravening mob with pitchforks etc to Whitehall on the double

 

[butchersapron]

here you go

The world’s platform for change

with enough people signing - we can get that input DEBATED IN PARLIAMENT.

Jesus

 

[Pickman's model]

yes it is.

But alinging with a coalition of ultra right wing tories, UKIPers and the DUP to ensure hard brexit is not exactly bringing britain to socialism either.

but that's the choices that we are being offered.

And the EU's laying down of the law today looks like they are going to use brexit as an opportunity to fuck the UK up the arse whatever happens.

Never was the caca in your username so apt

 

[sleaterkinney]

Somehow 'defeating hard brexit' by aligning with Tories, DUP and other neoliberal parties, and then regarding it as 'not neccessarily' anti-socialist is proper fucking nonsense.

Somehow standing with Johnson and Farage and voting for a Tory Brexit to advance socialism is proper fucking nonsense.