belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
dont be daft. he didn't mention the border
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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Who was that?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
who was what?
AnandLeo
Tipple Ripple
I tend to regard the current deal which has been rejected by the parliament contains many of the polices of liberation from the Brussels, such as farming and fisheries, and many others, even though with some compromises. Free movement of people can be brought under a sensible system of control without harm to EU citizens living and working in UK, and future EU citizens who would like move freely for travel, study, business or work. The remaining key elements of Corbyn’s position are Customs Union, and free trade etc. that will preserve the smooth transition of trade and industry after the Brexit, which is the biggest threat to the economy and way of life. I advocated this stance during the May’s government that was not cocky as the present government. The conservative governments have not considered the path of Customs Union and free trade. Neither the Corbyn’s idea of a Customs Union, that would also eliminate the Northern Ireland border impasse, has been considered, because Corbyn is not a party to the negotiations. I can forlorn not seeing this happening. Besides, I have other personal matters to brood.
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I think he's got something mixed up tbh, the only ex urbanite I can think of with any swing in labour right now is articul8, who is solidly party line.
Maybe he could try and get May's deal through?
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Has anyone mentioned the 'Noble Officium' yet?
Part of Joanna Cherry's case up here was to invoke this. It literally means 'a gap in the law'. It is used in this context id Boris refuses to sign the extension to staying in the EU on 17th October. If he refuses the 'Nobile Officium' ios invoked and the law then states that it does not need to be the PM who signs the delay request but the Court who signs it and requests the extension.
Special power of the Court of Session could force Boris Johnson to extend Article 50
Part of Joanna Cherry's case up here was to invoke this. It literally means 'a gap in the law'. It is used in this context id Boris refuses to sign the extension to staying in the EU on 17th October. If he refuses the 'Nobile Officium' ios invoked and the law then states that it does not need to be the PM who signs the delay request but the Court who signs it and requests the extension.
Special power of the Court of Session could force Boris Johnson to extend Article 50
teuchter
je suis teuchter
For me the significance of the supreme court ruling is that it confirms that the Scottish courts are right and the English ones wrong. It's reasonable and inevitable to extrapolate this to Scottish people, and English people, in general, and in all matters. A victory for common sense.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
aah, that was what he meant!
No, it was deffo an ex-urbanite, just not a very regular one, and not for many years. There are quite a few of them about, you know! He used to live in this house, so I should know him. You dont need any swing in Labour to propose a motion to conference.
gosub
~#
They can request it by all means, however you do have to wonder what it would mean to a EUropean Council which requires unanimous approval for granting an 'unconditional' extension....This Noble Officium would presumably be babysitting the Country whilst we are having an election.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
Hahahahahaaha. Hahahahaha. Fucking hell.
“The effect on the fundamentals of democracy are extreme”. She might as well have said bozo is acting like a dictator.
Hahahahahaha
“The effect on the fundamentals of democracy are extreme”. She might as well have said bozo is acting like a dictator.
Hahahahahaha
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
norris off corrie gave up a promising career as a parliamentary historian to appear in the soap
Cid
Proper break this time
Depends what you mean... you could codify the whole lot, all the conventions etc, but still leave Parliamentary sovereignty intact. I.e you’d have a written constitution, but it could be altered at any point... frankly it would clarify a lot of stuff.
Or you could try and change the nature of the constitution and have a body of constitutional law that can’t be changed on a simple majority. Though tbh I don’t see how you could do that. The next majority parliament could just come along and say your constitution was unconstitutional and ignore it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is why I had initially assumed the Supreme Court would fudge this. It exposes the contradictions inherent to the idea of a royal prerogative. The solution would be an elected head of state who could make their own judgements as to the constitutionality of something like this. As it stands, the monarch is simply the puppet of a prime minister, even a weak one. In this case, the weak PM clearly wasn't prepared to risk jail, so refused to submit any reason under oath. We've uncovered a limit to what Johnson is prepared to do. That's what killed him here.
There is no real solution to the fudge that is a 'constitutional monarchy' - it's an oxymoron that only survives as long as it isn't tested too much. Bad day for Johnson, but also a bad day for the monarchy. Double win.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
I bet they would enjoy the rather cold revenge of accepting it after Boris bluff and bluster about being on top of the job and being like the Hulk. As soon as he refuses it will be requested. The recent moves by Merkel, Varadkar and Barnier are clearly against a no deal brexit. It would be strange if they tehn refused it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
wish they'd done it two weeks ago before i went on holiday
Weller
So ermm ... You know ermm
Is this online do you mean bbc 24 do you have a link please for catchup
I have reasons to view and save that
toblerone3
Grrrrr
helicopters over central London circulating 
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
more proof wings is a worthless buffoon only followed by imbeciles
Cid
Proper break this time
Yes, but they have the advantage that their nations were founded on that basis. Or at least on the basis that there is a body of constitutional law separate from normal legislation.
The problem in the UK is that any party that tries to do that has to do it within a system that upholds Parliamentary sovereignty. Which effectively means any successor government with a sufficient majority can appeal to that earlier principle and overrule your changes.
The only way to do it would be to completely throw out the old system, monarch, lords and all. Probably turn the hoc into a museum too.
strung out
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I met her once
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Got to feel for people with TC holidays booked - now off, months until refund, and their £ would have gone further into the bargain
gosub
~#
When, looking up with wistful eye,
The Bruce beheld a spider try
His filmy thread to fling
From beam to beam of that rude cot--
And well the insect's toilsome lot
Taught Scotland's future king.
Six times the gossamery thread
The wary spider threw;--
In vain the filmy line was sped,
For powerless or untrue
Each aim appeared, and back recoiled
The patient insect, six times foiled,
And yet unconquered still;
And soon the Bruce, with eager eye,
Saw him prepare once more to try
His courage, strength, and skill.
One effort more, his seventh and last!--
The hero hailed the sign!--
And on the wished-for beam hung fast
That slender silken line!
Slight as it was, his spirit caught
The more than omen; for his thought
The lesson well could trace,
Which even "he who runs may read,"
That Perseverance gains its meed,
And Patience wins the race.
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