Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[gosub]

Justified given their ongoing significant presence in Britain today.

What's that you say? Ireland would like a seat on the Security Council?

 

[gosub]

How to be liberal by calling everyone else racist

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

How to be liberal by calling everyone else racist

Confronted with the unpalatable fact that many Britons are against the status quo, liberals took about 48 hours to decide the only possible reason could be racism. Whatever your stated reason for voting leave, you’re one goose-step away from an ‘I Heart Hitler’ T-shirt.

 

[dessiato]

Isn't today day thirty? Is BloJob going to present anything? Or is there going to be greater fudging?

 

[Poi E]

There no hurry. In the unlikely event the supreme court orders the executive to recall parliament it can safely be ignored. Doddery head of state, no entrenched laws for the courts to work with, army with a history of killing civilians and working on British streets. It's like a wish list. Wait for the end of October job done.

 

[A380]

Didn't Moses lead his people out of the tyranny of a powerful empire? Parted the Red Sea and avoided a hard border iirc.

And snuffed it before he himself got to the promised land. So there’s that to hope for.

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't today day thirty? Is BloJob going to present anything? Or is there going to be greater fudging?

Johnson is stuffing his face with chocolate and leaving handmarks on the wallpaper

 

[Ming]

There no hurry. In the unlikely event the supreme court orders the executive to recall parliament it can safely be ignored. Doddery head of state, no entrenched laws for the courts to work with, army with a history of killing civilians and working on British streets. It's like a wish list. Wait for the end of October job done.

Running the clock down.

 

[Raheem]

Running the clock down.

This struck me as a good way forward, until I noticed the L in clock.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

How to be liberal by calling everyone else racist

In fairness the Golliwog stuff is cause people keep putting “SHARE THIS GOLLIWOG BEFORE FACEBOOK DELETES IT” memes on Fb.
I’ve commented with a basic history of the Golliwog on such posts only to get “yeah but when we were kids it wasn’t racist at all”
Yeah but like... CAN YOU ACCEPT IT IS NOW?
I’ll always excuse ignorance, it’s easy to be ignorant of stuff cause since when was there an obligation- hell, even time- to sit on the Internet keeping up with every new development, I wish I could switch it off forever and just be alone with my garden to be honest. But once you’ve been told and you’re still waving the EU flag around? Naaah. Oh wait... Sorry, Golliwogs

 

[Humberto]

The EU bods are saying "they haven't got any proposals", which they obviously haven't. Johnson is a bollix. It's no deal or no Brexit surely?

 

[Humberto]

I wish I could switch it off forever and just be alone with my garden to be honest. But once you’ve been told and you’re still waving the EU flag around? Naaah. Oh wait... Sorry, Golliwogs

This is a good thing to do. For a bit at least.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

What's that you say? Ireland would like a seat on the Security Council?

I loved Alabama 3, they seem to be a Scottish fave don’t they. T in the Park/Belladrum stalwarts.

 

[Celyn]

... army with a history of killing civilians and working on British streets. It's like a wish list. Wait for the end of October job done.

Army has no *official* recent history of killing civilians on British streets in the last century, or does it? I don't doubt that it will will do so, though. This will not be fun.

I wander off to look again at Reginald Perrin and Jimmy's secret army.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

There no hurry. In the unlikely event the supreme court orders the executive to recall parliament it can safely be ignored. Doddery head of state, no entrenched laws for the courts to work with, army with a history of killing civilians and working on British streets. It's like a wish list. Wait for the end of October job done.

Whose wishlist? Is this a “keeping saying fascist coup and it will come!” field of dystopian dreams sort of thing?

 

[DotCommunist]

Army has no *official* recent history of killing civilians on British streets in the last century, or does it? I don't doubt that it will will do so, though. This will not be fun.

I wander off to look again at Reginald Perrin and Jimmy's secret army.

bloody sunday in '72

 

[Celyn]

bloody sunday in '72

And a whole big lot more murdering. Many times in many places.

I was replying to a post that said "British".

I did carefully say "British", you know. Stuff the army did in the six counties/Northern Ireland, they haven't been doing in Britain. Yet.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

And a whole big lot more murdering. Many times in many places.

I was replying to a post that said "British".

I did carefully say "British", you know. Stuff the army did in the six counties/Northern Ireland, they haven't been doing in Britain. Yet.

That’s amazing pedantry right there

 

[Celyn]

That’s amazing pedantry right there

Well, thank you kindly. Slight pedantry on my part but not really, I think, it is just a matter of trying to get the facts right and being careful to note in what way they are described.

Right, I have now looked to find the post to which I was replying.

There no hurry. In the unlikely event the supreme court orders the executive to recall parliament it can safely be ignored. Doddery head of state, no entrenched laws for the courts to work with, army with a history of killing civilians and working on British streets. It's like a wish list. Wait for the end of October job done.

It doesn't really, does it? It has mostly not done much of that recently. So far.

The army, in terms of doing its job which I take to be making life safer for civilians, all people all population, really, had a great old time doing some Very Bad Things in Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is not in Britain. To think that the army is

... army with a history of killing civilians and working on British streets. ...

is slightly worrying in that it suggests that it was usual in England, Scotland, Wales.

I think I find it odd, that's all, to be told that the army has been busy killing people in Britain. Because, given that it hasn't really been doing much of that, there is a risk, perhaps, of telling people that the evil army was killing civilians locally, and when that turns out not to be true then anyone arguing against the British Army or British state might lose credibility.

Just better to stick to facts, really. Insofar as they can be found.

Or, I suppose - don't cry wolf. (But be aware of the wolf and prepare)

 

[Poi E]

Fair enough. It's dramatic. But come with me to South Africa where I am now and you will never, ever make any argument excusing those bastards again. Fuck them. Fuck the British state. Time for it to go to the dustbin of history with its blood-soaked myths and appalling treatment of the working class of Britain and Ireland.

Apol. Trips to former British colonies bring this out in me. The crimes of the British state and its quislings are everywhere and the state that did it has never been reconstituted. It remains a war-like state and now with deeply unstable political structures. Some in Britain have a belief of an essential "rightness" that can be rediscovered at the heart of Britain. Remain or Leave, left or right. I can't share that.

 

[Poi E]

Whose wishlist? Is this a “keeping saying fascist coup and it will come!” field of dystopian dreams sort of thing?

Doesn't have to be fascist.

 

[kabbes]

And a whole big lot more murdering. Many times in many places.

I was replying to a post that said "British".

I did carefully say "British", you know. Stuff the army did in the six counties/Northern Ireland, they haven't been doing in Britain. Yet.

If you’re relying on pedantry then you should really bear in mind that the adjective used to describe stuff from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is still “British”.

British | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

So Bloody Sunday was indeed the British army killing British people on British streets.

 

[Sprocket.]

I recall a real fear during the industrial disputes on the British Mainland in the early seventies, that regarding The British Army, what was happening on Bogside could quickly transfer to Merseyside and Clydeside.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, thank you kindly. Slight pedantry on my part but not really, I think, it is just a matter of trying to get the facts right and being careful to note in what way they are described.

Right, I have now looked to find the post to which I was replying.


It doesn't really, does it? It has mostly not done much of that recently. So far.

The army, in terms of doing its job which I take to be making life safer for civilians, all people all population, really, had a great old time doing some Very Bad Things in Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is not in Britain. To think that the army is is slightly worrying in that it suggests that it was usual in England, Scotland, Wales.

I think I find it odd, that's all, to be told that the army has been busy killing people in Britain. Because, given that it hasn't really been doing much of that, there is a risk, perhaps, of telling people that the evil army was killing civilians locally, and when that turns out not to be true then anyone arguing against the British Army or British state might lose credibility.

Just better to stick to facts, really. Insofar as they can be found.

Or, I suppose - don't cry wolf. (But be aware of the wolf and prepare)

The army of course has such a history whether you admit it or no, and just because it's not such a recent history on this island doesn't erase it. The army killing people like the many hundreds if not thousands killed by them in the Gordon ríots was one reason the police were brought in, to deal with public order with fewer casualties.

 

[Pickman's model]

I recall a real fear during the industrial disputes on the British Mainland in the early seventies, that regarding The British Army, what was happening on Bogside could quickly transfer to Merseyside and Clydeside.

I have been told clearly and directly, with no margin for misunderstanding, by Dave Douglass that the army were dressed as cops during the miners' strike

 

[Pickman's model]

As for British streets, you may recall the killing of Mairéad Farrell, Seán Savage and Daniel McCann in Gibraltar in 1988, and I am told Gibraltarians feel strongly they are British

 

[Sprocket.]

I have been told clearly and directly, with no margin for misunderstanding, by Dave Douglass that the army were dressed as cops during the miners' strike

That, without doubt happened. Far too many local striking miners testified they saw relatives they knew to be in the army in unnumbered police uniforms.

 

[SpookyFrank]

And a whole big lot more murdering. Many times in many places.

I was replying to a post that said "British".

I did carefully say "British", you know. Stuff the army did in the six counties/Northern Ireland, they haven't been doing in Britain. Yet.

Oh, well if they were killing foreigners (they weren't, incidentally) then that's fine.

 

[mauvais]

And a whole big lot more murdering. Many times in many places.

I was replying to a post that said "British".

I did carefully say "British", you know. Stuff the army did in the six counties/Northern Ireland, they haven't been doing in Britain. Yet.

'British streets' don't have to be physically in Great Britain.

 

[Kaka Tim]

That, without doubt happened. Far too many local striking miners testified they saw relatives they knew to be in the army in unnumbered police uniforms.

im really not convinced - its all hearsay. In 35 years, not a single ex-squaddie has come forward and said "i was put into a coppers uniform and sent to a picket line" - too many people would have been involved for something like this to be kept quiet for this long.