Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[existentialist]

Why on earth would anyone dig around your words looking for dubious motives?? There's no agreed list of words that can be forwarded to you - you just need to either engage with the general conversation here and elsewhere on this subject and similar (where these themes very quickly become obvious, trust me) or be gracious when it is made clear to you that there are things you might not fully understand. I don't understand why any white person would want to confront a woman of colour on this subject in such a petulant way - do you not think that there is enough hurt around this subject?

edit - actually you should always be gracious in this context, however well read.

I think you're making my point for me. If I saw someone speaking, and was moved to make some kind of comment on how they were doing, I might well use a word like "articulate", whatever colour their skin happened to be. I don't think we need a list. What we need is to stop looking so damn hard for Clues that someone is being somehow unconsciously racist/sexist/whateverist, and like, y'know, maybe, ask, or engage and find out for fact. I think the kind of posturing that is behind these attitudes does a huge amount to polarise the debate into positions where someone is suddenly "in the know" of the arcane lexicon of coded discriminatory behaviour, and - as a handful of posters on Urban are prone to do - then use that "knowledge" to denigrate the motives of people and play some kind of holier-than-thou game with it.

Anyway, this is well off-topic, and I can feel myself becoming irritated with the whole nonsense again, so I'm going to do what I said before, and continue not to give a fuck about what strangers who know nothing about me might choose to infer from the very particular language I might choose to use.

 

[bimble]

Nope, read back a few posts.



They are part of the army, but organised at state level, they can be mobilised at both state & federal level, by a state governor or by the president, even without agreement of the various governors.

LINK

Anyway, latest news on Sky, for the first time since the LA riots, Trump has made an order that Federal army troops can be deployed within 4 hours.

Yep I got that totally arse about face.
it’s this that I’d got muddled-
Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia
A law that applies to the army that they can’t do ‘law enforcement’, whilst national guard can.
Actully I’m still confused but will leave it alone it’s a diversion from what’s happening.

 

[polly]

What we need is to stop looking so damn hard for Clues that someone is being somehow unconsciously racist/sexist/whateverist, and like, y'know, maybe, ask, or engage and find out for fact. I think the kind of posturing that is behind these attitudes does a huge amount to polarise the debate into positions where someone is suddenly "in the know" of the arcane lexicon of coded discriminatory behaviour, and - as a handful of posters on Urban are prone to do - then use that "knowledge" to denigrate the motives of people and play some kind of holier-than-thou game with it.

No one is playing games here and it's quite telling that you think they are. Did anyone denigrate teqniq? Nope. Mation gently pointed out something that happens all the fucking time and he was absolutely cool about it.

 

[Numbers]

I think you're making my point for me. If I saw someone speaking, and was moved to make some kind of comment on how they were doing, I might well use a word like "articulate", whatever colour their skin happened to be. I don't think we need a list. What we need is to stop looking so damn hard for Clues that someone is being somehow unconsciously racist/sexist/whateverist, and like, y'know, maybe, ask, or engage and find out for fact. I think the kind of posturing that is behind these attitudes does a huge amount to polarise the debate into positions where someone is suddenly "in the know" of the arcane lexicon of coded discriminatory behaviour, and - as a handful of posters on Urban are prone to do - then use that "knowledge" to denigrate the motives of people and play some kind of holier-than-thou game with it.

Anyway, this is well off-topic, and I can feel myself becoming irritated with the whole nonsense again, so I'm going to do what I said before, and continue not to give a fuck about what strangers who know nothing about me might choose to infer from the very particular language I might choose to use.

‘The arcane lexicon of coded discrimanatory behaviour...’

That’s t-shirt material like Tobyjugs ‘shorts are for the promenade’

 

[Treacle Toes]

Sigh. I understood the 'emotion'al response of wanting to slag off an entire nation because of some of it's dumb culture. Because, when it comes to the USA, I sometimes do it myself, I'm sure a lot of people do. However, I find it's best to try and take a step back sometimes and not slag off a whole group of people who aren't actually 'a whole' but a diverse set. Because otherwise if I do start to slag off a whole group of people who are diverse I remind myself that that way leads racism.

I wasn't being condescending, I wasn't telling Mation what they thought, I explained clearly in my post what I meant. But you continue to put words in the mouths of others, a trait of yours seen here quite regularly, while pretending to not care so much about what I think or feel that you are constantly referring back to it and detracting from the actual fucking huge issue of what happened and is happening here.

America and it's culture is slagged off in no uncertain terms every day around here. I don't remember anyone, you included not understanding why and dismissing that as being 'emotional' and then getting a A level lecture in social diversity,.

It is condescending to do that. What Mation said was not purely an emotional response IMO. Also yes, being dismissed as 'emotional' and lectured to in that way as if they can't possibly have considered or know those things is a common response to Black people's opinions on the subject of race and culture, it is also a common experience of women generally. There is no conceivable way that criticising the worst of American culture or it as a 'nation' is or was being racist. To believe that means you think she has no idea of how diverse Americans are, they are not one ethnicity, obviously.

So no, I haven't put words into your mouth and no I haven't detracted from the 'actual fucking issue' and if you weren't so busy getting arsey because you don't like the exact same thing done to you as you did to her you'd see that it is very much connected to the issue being discussed.

Yes, you may not have meant to be condescending but you were and no I don't care if you dig your heels in and call for back-up with the 'a trait of yours seen here quite regularly,' insult either.

I referred to it the second time not in response to you or caring what you think, I offered it as an example of what was being highlighted in the posts above mine.

 

[Tankus]

Trump is now going to blame the CV19 second wave on black people ...and not the trumpist reopening .

I would not be surprised if trump was secretly pleased at this turn of events ...It takes his CV19 incompetence of the front page ...

 

[bimble]

Trump is now going to blame the CV19 second wave on black people ...and not the trumpist reopening .

I would not be surprised if trump was secretly pleased at this turn of events ...It takes his CV19 incompetence of the front page ...

He’s very pleased and not even attempting to hide it. People saying he’d try to avoid an election in November used to seem extreme to me but idk anymore.

 

[existentialist]

It’s sorted in his own head tho’.

Oh. fuck off.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think America's "incurably diseased" - no more so than Britain, anyway - but things are definitely at a low point when the president says a mayor facing racial injustice protests should act more like World War II generals.

 

[Deadstick 1944]

Would the army obey an order to get involved if this were to go on ?

You can bet they will obey it they have been brainwashed.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Oh god not this

 

[bimble]

I don’t know what to make of this. Would like to hear what other people reckon. It’s a thread about a press conference given my mayor of Minneapolis alleging infiltration of the protests. Every person arrested last night was not local they say.

 

[bimble]

And this, long thread

 

[two sheds]

I don’t know what to make of this. Would like to hear what other people reckon. It’s a thread about a press conference given my mayor of Minneapolis alleging infiltration of the protests. Every person arrested last night was not local they say.

He adds that white nationalist groups are posting messages promoting going to Minneapolis to “get our loot on”

 

[bimble]

Yes and lots of screenshotted evidence of fake blm accounts set up calling for protest

 

[Crispy]

‘The arcane lexicon of coded discrimanatory behaviour...’

Parklife

 

[Treacle Toes]

I don't think America's "incurably diseased" - no more so than Britain, anyway - but things are definitely at a low point when the president says a mayor facing racial injustice protests should act more like World War II generals.


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The UK is certainly not devoid of institutionalised White Supremacist beliefs and culture no.



Btw, there was a Black Lives matter protest through Peckham today after video was circulated of a group of policeman trying to restrain, chasing and then tasering a Black man mutliple times yesterday. There are lots of other videos going up on FB and twitter daily of others being stopped and harrassed under sus and Covid rules. Judging by the racist comments being made on posts showing the peaceful protest that happened today i'm not sure that some people will ever 'get it'.

I have just seen that this is planned for tomorrow too.

 

[scifisam]

And this, long thread

One of the scariest things about that is that most people seem to be assuming the white agitators are lefty anarchists.

 

[Treacle Toes]

One of the scariest things about that is that most people seem to be assuming the white agitators are lefty anarchists.

That was cyril's first reaction too. It beggars belief but is so common.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Nicked from Facebook...

 

[scifisam]

That was @cyrilsmears first reaction too. It beggars belief but is so common.

It also occurred to me that, even though most of those posts look like they're from genuine accounts, it would be pretty easy for bots to spread those rumours too.

 

[bimble]

One of the scariest things about that is that most people seem to be assuming the white agitators are lefty anarchists.

Plenty of people saying it’s far right. Trump obvs shouting “antifa’ all day.

 

[Pickman's model]

If army (not national guard) do get involved that would be the first time in America, I think. National guard a lot like territorial army but not actually part of the army confusingly. Seems possible though if the President wants a big long national emergency.

If you put to one side things like the use of army intelligence against anti-war protestors in Chicago in 1968. But as Ron ridenhour described in 1975 there have been extensive plans - and in recent years training - for the use of the army for internal security. I'm sure I've posted about operation garden plot here before

 

[Pickman's model]

If army (not national guard) do get involved that would be the first time in America, I think. National guard a lot like territorial army but not actually part of the army confusingly. Seems possible though if the President wants a big long national emergency.

I'm sorry, I forgot the use of the army to disperse the bonus army back in the 1930s

 

[Treacle Toes]

It also occurred to me that, even though most of those posts look like they're from genuine accounts, it would be pretty easy for bots to spread those rumours too.

Trump is doing it, I would be surprised if he hasn't got his bot army on the case too.

 

[frogwoman]

Trump is now going to blame the CV19 second wave on black people ...and not the trumpist reopening .

I would not be surprised if trump was secretly pleased at this turn of events ...It takes his CV19 incompetence of the front page ...

I was just thinking that those protesters are brave tho, seriously risking their lives.

 

[Archimage]

Seems they knew each other, even worked together as bouncers.

What Happened in the Chaotic Moments Before George Floyd Died (Published 2020)

The episode began with a report of a $20 counterfeit bill. It ended in a fatal encounter with the police, which the authorities have described in detail for the first time.

www.nytimes.com

 

[teqniq]

This woman (a photographer) who I originally posted about on the police brutality thread has permanently lost the sight in her left eye:

 

[petee]

 

[Lord Camomile]

Don't know if anything will come of it, but the NYPD have pepper sprayed and arrested a state senator.