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Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

I don't know if this has been posted previously, but might be of interest to some Minnesota Freedom Fund
Perhaps you could say something about that link, why it might be of interest for example.
They've been the go-to for donations, supporting people who need bail during the protests.

However, according to that link they've received $20m which sounds like far more than they're used to operating with, and are now encouraging people to donate elsewhere:
We now encourage people to generously donate to George Floyd’s family and other local organizations, especially those which are Black and BIPOC led, and which are working to lift up communities, end police brutality, and build a more just future.
 
The Chief Master Sergeant of the US Air Force has pledged to do more to tackle racial injustice and says his greatest fear is one of his black airmen dying "at the hands of a white police officer".

In a post on Twitter, Kaleth O. Wright said he was "outraged at watching another black man die on television before our very eyes".

Sgt Wright said it "could happen to me. As shocking as that may sound to some of you" and that racism, discrimination and exclusion "does not care much about position, titles or stature".

"This, my friends, is my greatest fear, not that I will be killed by a white police officer (believe me my heart starts racing like most other black men in America when I see those blue lights behind me). But that I will wake up to a report that one of our black airmen has died at the hands of a white police officer," he said.

The Chief Master Sergeant said he is working with the Chief of Staff to have a full and thorough independent review of the US military justice system.

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So there's one miltary man who hopefully won't be joining in.
 


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He was charged with disobeying a lawful order, according to a police report.

Charleston Police Chief Luther Reynolds defended the officers’ actions in Marion Square on Sunday. He stressed that Jordan’s two-minute video does not encapsulate a tense protest where a large crowd had been ordered to break up.

“We specifically asked for them, numerous times, to disperse,” he said. “We said if you don’t you will be arrested.”

Reynolds did not say why officers seemed to single Jordan out from the crowd. Jordan said he was arrested around 5 p.m., well before Charleston’s 6 p.m. curfew.

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So he really is threatening to get the army out, whether they would all follow orders i don't know and even he might not want to risk that so hopefully its just more inflamatory noise from the commander in chief.

It's a good question, and what happens if/when they're ordered to deploy could change the whole situation dramatically then, and longer term.

I suspect it might be quite unit/geography dependent. Plenty of black and poor folks join the army in the US for benefits (college education afterwards) and I suspect some of them might not take kindly to deployment in areas they're from. But imagine things like that will be taken into account.
 
Nike doesn't let a crisis go unbranded.

In these 'unprecedented times,' you must open with sombre piano and stark blacks - but a pity they didn't follow their own advice.

 
Really not sure of the value of sharing thousands of clips from Twitter/Facebook unless they illustrate something really unusual and newsworthy.

At the very least could people be careful not to post bollocks unverified stuff like the 'FBI agent' and out of date speeches?
:thumbs: This.

I'm not even opening them now unless there's a precis and a reason in the post.
 
whats interesting and significent is that the mainstream media in the US is not automatically siding with the police - and the whole wave of protests and riots looks like its crystalsing a wider anger at trump generally (as well as at deep rooted divisions, inequality and injustice). The police violently clearing the protest outside the whitehouse so he could make an speech from the church is incredibly inflammatory and its the sort of thing that - whilst it will be cheered on by his base - will turn the media even more agasint him. How will non-activist, apolitical white america react to all this - will they see Trump as the problem or the grimlly necessary soluition? Will the national gaurd ro the military obey orders? Will trumps gun nut fan boys break out their assulat rifles? All bets off right now.
 
whats interesting and significent is that the mainstream media in the US is not automatically siding with the police - and the whole wave of protests and riots looks like its crystalsing a wider anger at trump generally (as well as at deep rooted divisions, inequality and injustice). The police violently clearing the protest outside the whitehouse so he could make an speech from the church is incredibly inflammatory and its the sort of thing that - whilst it will be cheered on by his base - will turn the media even more agasint him. How will non-activist, apolitical white america react to all this - will they see Trump as the problem or the grimlly necessary soluition? Will the national gaurd ro the military obey orders? Will trumps gun nut fan boys break out their assulat rifles? All bets off right now.

I really recommend that Podcast "It could happen here" mentioned above, covers all these possibilities.
 
This is from "The Hook" (whatever that is) from a link shared by A380 in another thread.

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner then added an update on Monday, June 1, to its official autopsy, saying the manner of death is indeed homicide.

Sorry if it's already been posted but its significant as the Hennepin County Medical Examiner is the bloke who did the original autopsy on George Floyd which was a little, er, ambiguous in its findings. Seems like someone or something has updated his mind a little following the private autopsy which found death by asphyxiation.
 
Watching the primed reactions to this play out in real time on the twitter is just so strange.
For example a man has been arrested for setting fire to the courthouse in Nashville, there's a photo of him being arrested, shaved headed white dude.
Thousands of people shouting 'yay lol Antifa terrorist lock him up for e ava' then someone points out he as a tattoo that looks very much like signifying membership of the 3%ers and about 7 people seem to care.

more on that 'is he a white supremacist or does he just like monster energy drinks' here. Wesley Somers: Man Charged With Arson in Nashville Courthouse Fire
 
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Petee gave a great summary of all the concrete reasons. I wanted to add that America's government and institutions are widely regarded as illegitimate now by huge segments of the population - particularly people under, say, 40 or so. Ever since 9/11 America has taken hit after hit - the continuous militarization of the police, the government repeatedly and blatantly lying to the population and not even trying to hide it (iraq, stuff from wikileaks), the bailout of the rich and fucking of everyone else over and over (2008 and also during the present economic crash), and evidence of even darker motivations among the oligarchy (fucking Epstein). Every one of these events permanently disconnected some Americans from really ever being able to trust the government or even give it the benefit of the doubt. Although the poor have been struggling for a long time, things were holding together through the 2010s, probably because it was still possible to make money. Now the economy has imploded again, and this one looks worse than 2008. The government's misleading unemployment rate says ~15%; this is bullshit, as that rate has always been. Millions and millions of people are facing eviction and food insecurity, and the President sits on Twitter complaining about how it's all everyone else's fault.

The far right has adopted a militia/siege mindset and views the government as the enemy (despite worshipping cops, which is mainly just due to their confused fetish for power), and their most dangerous fantasies have been stoked daily by the president. They aren't quite as numerous as the media makes it seem, but they are extremely dangerous. Meanwhile, the "far left" is more numerous now than perhaps at any time since the 1930s. Huge numbers of Americans identify as socialist now, and while you can probably argue about whether or not their specific beliefs are really socialist, the point is that they don't view the two-party monopoly as legit and they don't buy into the vague bullshit Democrats come out with anymore. Finally, among the large number of Americans who don't identify with parties or political philosophies, even here there is a more general sense that corruption and decay are dominant. Everyone has a different idea of why or a pet theory they picked up from the internet. And nobody has any political solutions that can actually be implemented because of the rigidity of the Constitution and the two-party oligarchical lock on power.

The lynching of George Floyd was horrific beyond description. It's not my place to say what black people thought of it - many are doing so quite well. It's the latest and most brutal in a series of high-profile police killings of innocent black people, many of whom fear being murdered by agents of the state every day. I'm going to go out on a limb here though and say that this video resonated with many Americans of every ethnicity at a metaphorical level. Floyd was suffocated to death, over a long period of time, for no reason other than sadism, while bystanders clearly explained the situation in multiple ways. The response they got was "This is why you don't do drugs, kids" - the killing was intentional and exemplary. Metaphorically, I see George Floyd as America itself, huge swaths of the American population. We've been suffocated for years. What's happening is out in the open, people have explained the situation again and again, and none of it makes any fucking difference because the people in power apparently enjoy watching us suffer. Biden might have won the nomination, either through DNC fuckery or through right-leaning suburban Democrats and loads of people living in retirement homes afraid of Bernie and higher taxes, but nobody actually likes him or defends any of his policies. "Centrism" as an ideology requires a belief in the systems of government as legitimate and that's utterly dead now. Also everyone's been cooped up in their houses going insane for two months. If there was a Gallup poll right now asking Americans to agree or disagree with the statement "Let it all fucking burn", I would expect "agree" would win easily.

Great post, but how does it differ from the events of 68 and the Humphrey vs Nixon Presendential battle, were Nixon mobilised the 'silent majority' to vote for him, or isn't there a S/M now?
 
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