N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Meh it’s all over the internet.
Irish Unity Watch Thread
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Meh it’s all over the internet.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
*shudders for the chauffeur*
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Well, given the size of our armed forces, it's too late now.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Well, given the size of our armed forces, it's too late now.
when a tyke i asked my father, does ireland have an army? his instant answer was "yes, and you wouldn't know what 'tis for." he ssid this with some amount of heat, which surprised me.
Well, given the size of our armed forces, it's too late now.
Yeah. These days there might even be a few of those tiny states capable of giving you's bully boys a right good (and richly deserved) slap
Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
I really hope (though am certain it's just internet getting carried away with itself) that the rumour he's Catholic is true
that tv doctor doesn't give a single shit either. Hilarious.
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
Yeah, it's a thing, apparently. Very odd
State commemoration of the RIC must be cancelled - Sinn Féin President
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
I think there has to be, as the confidence and supply agreement has reached it's end. I think initially the posturing was for Easter election then over xmas, June was mentioned but given that Simon Harris will be up for a vote of no confidence soon, it may be sooner than that.
Will people vote FFG again? Probably. It's noticeable the Varadkar has upped the talk about 'People who get up early in the mornings' again, a real reference to how the middle class see themselves, and no doubt there will be more shit about the 'booming' economy and not putting that at risk.
I'm not sure how it would go, probably a FF/Lab/Soc dems/Green mash up. Either way none of it will contribute to Irish unity.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Called off, Varadkar, Flanagan and assorted asses of the DCC couldn’t agree on which jacks that could hold the event.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
This was a really fucked up idea. What were they thinking? It would be like the Germans commemorating the Nazis.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Believe it or not the ‘they were just doing their jobs’ argument has been trotted out for this one.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
The fallout is quite spectacular, Flanagan attacking the advisors, Diarmaid Ferriter quite stringent in blaming the Government saying that he and the other advisors had meant that an academic conference should be held concerning the RIC. Quite how they got from a conference to a national commemoration is strange. Part of me thinks this was a ploy by FG to rile up the shinners before an election.
Baronage-Phase
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Just had a read of this article that states that a service has been held every year since 2012. Quote below...
"The interdenominational service has been held every year since 2012 and was organised by the Historical and Reconciliation Police (Harp) Society set up by a group of ex-gardaí, led by Jim Herlihy. They sought to remember the 640 RIC and DMP men who died in the line of duty between 1836 and 1922 of whom 555 were killed during the War of Independence, mostly by the IRA. The Harp society did not seek to honour the role played by the Black and Tans or the Auxiliaries. Neither was Mr Flanagan in the now-postponed State event in Dublin Castle this month, but that fact has got lost in the mists in recent days. Significantly, Flanagan was not the only Government figure to attend the Harp commemoration in September, since Taoiseach Leo Varadkar was represented too, by his aide-de-camp Commandant Caroline Burke.Having met descendants of some of those killed, Flanagan justified his presence by stating that for the last century the men who served in the two police forces were known as “traitors and disloyal citizens”. In remembering the policemen he stated he was acting as a “pluralist who believes in the co-existence of peoples of different traditions on the island coming together”.
www.google.com
Mind boggles...
"The interdenominational service has been held every year since 2012 and was organised by the Historical and Reconciliation Police (Harp) Society set up by a group of ex-gardaí, led by Jim Herlihy. They sought to remember the 640 RIC and DMP men who died in the line of duty between 1836 and 1922 of whom 555 were killed during the War of Independence, mostly by the IRA. The Harp society did not seek to honour the role played by the Black and Tans or the Auxiliaries. Neither was Mr Flanagan in the now-postponed State event in Dublin Castle this month, but that fact has got lost in the mists in recent days. Significantly, Flanagan was not the only Government figure to attend the Harp commemoration in September, since Taoiseach Leo Varadkar was represented too, by his aide-de-camp Commandant Caroline Burke.Having met descendants of some of those killed, Flanagan justified his presence by stating that for the last century the men who served in the two police forces were known as “traitors and disloyal citizens”. In remembering the policemen he stated he was acting as a “pluralist who believes in the co-existence of peoples of different traditions on the island coming together”.
How did plans to remember the RIC and DMP become so controversial?
Minister for Justice Charlie Flanagan hoped event would rehabilitate forces’ reputation
Mind boggles...
Baronage-Phase
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Boycotts and blame: 'Black and Tans event' descends into farce
Plans for a controversial commemoration of the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) are in tatters after the Government was humiliated into cancelling next week's gathering.
The Independent..
Looks like there were objections at meetings but these were not shown in the minutes.
Nuts.
I am only surmising, but there may have been a view that remembering the RIC might impress the Unionists in an effort to show the country had moved away from civil war politic and towards a sort of "remember everyone had losses" mindset...perhaps trying to show that reunification wouldnt be a threat to unionists.
Flawed thinking if that's the case because "commemorating" a group that worked in tandem with the black and tans was never really going to be anything but putting salt in a wound.
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
Normally I don't care for this lot (Waterford Whispers) but this seems to be sneakily apt. Somebody should send it to Varadakar and other FG dolts.
Remembering Ireland’s Heroes: Oliver Cromwell
Remembering Ireland’s Heroes: Oliver Cromwell
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
Baronage-Phase
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Baronage-Phase
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Cant figure out how to post a youtube clip on this new site..
Anyway.
Here are the lyrics in case anyone wants to sing along
I was born on a Dublin street where the royal drums did beat,
And those loving English feet they tramped all over us,
And each and every night when me father came home tight
He'd invite the neighbors outside with this chorus:
Come out ye Black and Tans, come out and fight me like a man,
Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders,
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away
From the green and lovely lanes of Killashandra.
Come tell us how you slew them poor Arabs two by two,
Like the Zulus they had spears and bows and arrows,
How you bravely faced each one with your 16-pounder gun,
And you frightened them poor natives to their marrow.
Come out ye Black and Tans, come out and fight me like a man,
Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders,
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away
From the green and lovely lanes of Killashandra.
Come let us hear you tell how you slandered great Parnell,
When you thought him well and truly persecuted,
Where are the sneers and jeers that you bravely let us hear
When our heroes of '16 were executed?
Come out ye Black and Tans, come out and fight me like a man,
Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders,
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away
From the green and lovely lanes of Killashandra.
Well the day is coming fast and the time is here at last,
When each yeoman will be cut aside before us,
And if there be a need, sure me kids would sing, "Godspeed, "
With a verse or two of Stephen Behan's chorus:
Come out ye Black and Tans, come out and fight me like a man,
Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders,
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away
From the green and lovely lanes of Killashandra.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
You just did, and it's the same as before - just post the URL & the site does the rest.
And, I remember singing along to that in Irish bars, back in the 80's, particularity in Nancy Blake's in Limerick.
ETA - Blimey, Nancy Blake's is still there - 'We had one particular guy called Paul O’Connell who used to work the door': Nancy Blake's in Limerick
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Baronage-Phase
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You just did, and it's the same as before - just post the URL & the site does the rest.
And, I remember singing along to that in Irish bars, back in the 80's, particularity in Nancy Blake's in Limerick.
ETA - Blimey, Nancy Blake's is still there - 'We had one particular guy called Paul O’Connell who used to work the door': Nancy Blake's in Limerick
Oh yeah. NANCY BLAKES is definitely still there and is a big Irish music pub.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
We used to drink in there fairly regularly, but one night a week in particular, it was THE place to be - the Irish trad night, when musicians seem to be at every table & in every corner, someone would start a tune/song & 20 - 30+ musicians would join in
, I've never experienced anything like it, before nor since. 
Baronage-Phase
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The Wolf Tones say their to donate proceeds from the sing to a homeless charity.
Someone told me once that they said this sort of thing before but "forgot" to donate. Let's see if they follow through.
