Irish Unity Watch Thread

[Baronage-Phase]

So...Come Out Ye Black and Tans has now entered the Australian charts straight in at 16.
Its climbing up the charts in England and the US.
Number 1 here...

 

[krtek a houby]

Some of my pals (FG or rather, Leo, followers) can't get their heads round this one at all. Can't admit the massive fuck up that has happened.

Anyways, some good news in the meantime. Let's hope it's temporary (because of eventual unity, obvs)

Main NI parties agree power-sharing deal

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Some of my pals (FG or rather, Leo, followers) can't get their heads round this one at all. Can't admit the massive fuck up that has happened.

Anyways, some good news in the meantime. Let's hope it's temporary (because of eventual unity, obvs)

Main NI parties agree power-sharing deal

Nobody can get their heads round it. It would be akin to the Israelis commemorating the SS.

As for the power sharing deal...yeah at least things are moving. How the lot of them got away with over 2 years full pay doing fuck all.... that was ridiculous. Saw interviews with ordinary people in NI and their reactions to the Irish language act. Couple of them were such hard line unionists spouting their hate.
Reminded me of the DUP guy Gregory Campbell who said "Curry my yogurt can coca coalyer," a mockery of the Irish "go raibh maith agat, Ceann Comhairle" which means "thank you, Speaker."
Some of these people are so fucked up. He said once that all the Irish Language act was good for was toilet paper.
An indication of where some unionism is at. They absolutely detest this getting through.

The act also includes Scots Gaelic

 

[flypanam]

Brain Hanley has an excellent article in today's Irish Times arguing why the RIC was no normal police force.

The RIC was never a normal police force; commemorating it would be a travesty

As a paramilitary force defending British rule, its officers were not innocent victims

www.irishtimes.com

There is an excellent passage about the RIC role in Belfast, although sadly doesn't go into its role in dockers strike of 1907. It also mentions the USC formed in 1920.

 

[flypanam]

Reading the Dan Finn book at the moment it is a very good read. He did an interview with Dunphy

the end of it was illuminating about the present state of the Me Feiners.

 

[Idris2002]

Well, that's it, lads, we had a good run.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet">
&quot;I believe in a United Ireland and I believe it can be achieved in my lifetime.&quot;

—Taoiseach @LeoVaradkar. #VMTVBigDebate #Leadersdebate
&mdash; Fine Gael (@FineGael) January 22, 2020

 

[flypanam]

Ah shite, I was getting a crate in. Have to join the Nexit campaign now.

 

[LiamO]

Irish unity 'inevitable' and DUP has itself to blame, says Joe Brolly

JOE Brolly claims the DUP has “squandered” the chance of making Northern Ireland work and claims northern nationalists are now psychologically wedded to becoming part of a United Ireland.

www.irishnews.com

 

[kenny g]

We used to drink in there fairly regularly, but one night a week in particular, it was THE place to be - the Irish trad night, when musicians seem to be at every table & in every corner, someone would start a tune/song & 20 - 30+ musicians would join in , I've never experienced anything like it, before nor since.

Was that when you were running the pirates?

 

[flypanam]

Irish unity 'inevitable' and DUP has itself to blame, says Joe Brolly

JOE Brolly claims the DUP has “squandered” the chance of making Northern Ireland work and claims northern nationalists are now psychologically wedded to becoming part of a United Ireland.

www.irishnews.com

Ah here, Brolly, now nearly all the country is going against the idea of unity. What next sexy fucker Spillane cheering Tyrone.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Was that when you were running the pirates?

When I was involved in running a pirate station, yep.

 

[kenny g]

This one is a classic: Not sure whether the Italian flag is a in reference to stakeknife

 

[N_igma]

This one is a classic: Not sure whether the Italian flag is a in reference to stakeknife

It’s a reference to William Frazer and his Italian tricolour debacle.

 

[Idris2002]

Poor show all round.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

New documents link undercover British soldier Robert Nairac to the Miami Showband murders.

New documents link undercover British soldier Robert Nairac to the Miami Showband murders | JOE.ie

New documents link undercover British soldier Robert Nairac to the Miami Showband murders

www.google.com

British government collusion..and UDR working with UVF. Nairac was given the st george cross for his service. MI5 involvement.

Is it no wonder that people cannot ever trust the British establishment in NI?

I am putting this here because it raises the issue of the deliberate involvement of the British government of that time in forcing a harder border on foot of the massacre.

For anyone not familiar with the Miami Showband massacre... watch the episode below on netflix

Watch ReMastered: The Miami Showband Massacre | Netflix Official Site

The killing of three members of the Miami Showband sent shock waves across Ireland in 1975. Now one survivor doggedly pursues the truth.

www.netflix.com

 

[Idris2002]

Hmmm.

Ed Moloney is sceptical re: the lack of quotes from these documents in the Irish News piece.

The Irish News And Robert Nairac: Where’s The Beef?

The Irish News led with the story (see above) this morning alleging that redacted Ministry of Defence documents handed over to a lawyer by the London government had named the missing – presum…

thebrokenelbow.com

And a comment on Moloney's blog leads to this story, claiming that Nairac had an alibi:

Scientist provides evidence exonerating Robert Nairac of Troubles killings

Claims are ‘key reasons’ ex-IRA members refusing to assist locate captain’s remains

www.irishtimes.com

Isn't it the case that Nairac was far from being the only "Freelancer" running around in NI at the time?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Hmmm.

Ed Moloney is sceptical re: the lack of quotes from these documents in the Irish News piece.

The Irish News And Robert Nairac: Where’s The Beef?

The Irish News led with the story (see above) this morning alleging that redacted Ministry of Defence documents handed over to a lawyer by the London government had named the missing – presum…

thebrokenelbow.com

And a comment on Moloney's blog leads to this story, claiming that Nairac had an alibi:

Scientist provides evidence exonerating Robert Nairac of Troubles killings

Claims are ‘key reasons’ ex-IRA members refusing to assist locate captain’s remains

www.irishtimes.com

Isn't it the case that Nairac was far from being the only "Freelancer" running around in NI at the time?

Sure..but the court case against the MOD is not over.

Police failure to disclose Miami Showband documents 'appalling' says judge

A failure by police to fully disclose documents in a major legal action over alleged collusion with loyalist terrorists behind the Miami Showband massacre is "appalling", a High Court judge has said.

www.irishnews.com

Also
The last 20 mins of the netflix documentary are very revealing

 

[Mordi]

This one is a classic: Not sure whether the Italian flag is a in reference to stakeknife

Maybe it's in reference to Banda Bassotti's cover? Whose political sympathies have only become dodgier since.

 

[Idris2002]

Sure..but the court case against the MOD is not over.

Police failure to disclose Miami Showband documents 'appalling' says judge

A failure by police to fully disclose documents in a major legal action over alleged collusion with loyalist terrorists behind the Miami Showband massacre is "appalling", a High Court judge has said.

www.irishnews.com

Also
The last 20 mins of the netflix documentary are very revealing

The thing about Moloney is that reading his stuff you do get a very strong sense of "this guy knows what he's talking about", but at the same time you get an equally strong sense of "wow, he really, really doesn't like these guys!". Does the latter affect his performance in the former?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

The thing about Moloney is that reading his stuff you do get a very strong sense of "this guy knows what he's talking about", but at the same time you get an equally strong sense of "wow, he really, really doesn't like these guys!". Does the latter affect his performance in the former?

I didnt get that sense at all.
And I think Travers was very fair minded in the documentary.

 

[Idris2002]

I didnt get that sense at all.
And I think Travers was very fair minded in the documentary.

I meant his stuff in A Secret History of the IRA or Voices from the Dead.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I meant his stuff in A Secret History of the IRA or Voices from the Dead.

Well I suppose we will have to wait and see what happens with the court case.
The netflix programme is good. Worth watching.

 

[kenny g]

Maybe it's in reference to Banda Bassotti's cover? Whose political sympathies have only become dodgier since.

thanks - wasn't aware of that one.

Found the origin album of the one I had linked to:

 

[krtek a houby]

Well I suppose we will have to wait and see what happens with the court case.
The netflix programme is good. Worth watching.

It's an eye-opener. I wonder how it was received back home. Younger people I've talked to have never heard of the massacre.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

It's an eye-opener. I wonder how it was received back home. Younger people I've talked to have never heard of the massacre.

I guess I'm not in the "younger" category anymore.
I'd guess many under the age of 25 here wouldnt have a clue. Many don't know anything about that period let alone recent history.
And that's in Ireland. History as a subject in schools covers ww1 and ww2...and goes back to iron age, bronze age, Vikings, Danes, Plantations of the provinces...then from 1700 on there is very little about Irish history. The Famine gets mentioned but still it's all about failed potato crops. There's a chapter on 1916...treaty...bit about de Valera and Collins...
Many teachers opt for teaching the earlier Irish history as in stone age bronze age ...megalithic tombs etc..
It's as if anything from the 19th and 20th centuries is too close to the bone. So...I dont think young people have much of a clue about the troubles...those who do..have some connection with events of that time.

 

[krtek a houby]

I guess I'm not in the "younger" category anymore.
I'd guess many under the age of 25 here wouldnt have a clue. Many don't know anything about that period let alone recent history.
And that's in Ireland. History as a subject in schools covers ww1 and ww2...and goes back to iron age, bronze age, Vikings, Danes, Plantations of the provinces...then from 1700 on there is very little about Irish history. The Famine gets mentioned but still it's all about failed potato crops. There's a chapter on 1916...treaty...bit about de Valera and Collins...
Many teachers opt for teaching the earlier Irish history as in stone age bronze age ...megalithic tombs etc..
It's as if anything from the 19th and 20th centuries is too close to the bone. So...I dont think young people have much of a clue about the troubles...those who do..have some connection with events of that time.

The age of hill forts, crannogs and beehives was a favourite with me, I must admit. Wasn't until much later that I took an interest in the more recent history and a lot of it went over my head. O'Connell, Davitt, Parnell, the Land League I seem to remember there was a lot of focus on, with events like 1798 hardly being mentioned... ah, but it's a long time ago. School, that is.

 

[N_igma]

I guess I'm not in the "younger" category anymore.
I'd guess many under the age of 25 here wouldnt have a clue. Many don't know anything about that period let alone recent history.
And that's in Ireland. History as a subject in schools covers ww1 and ww2...and goes back to iron age, bronze age, Vikings, Danes, Plantations of the provinces...then from 1700 on there is very little about Irish history. The Famine gets mentioned but still it's all about failed potato crops. There's a chapter on 1916...treaty...bit about de Valera and Collins...
Many teachers opt for teaching the earlier Irish history as in stone age bronze age ...megalithic tombs etc..
It's as if anything from the 19th and 20th centuries is too close to the bone. So...I dont think young people have much of a clue about the troubles...those who do..have some connection with events of that time.

My girlfriend’s niece (from county Monaghan) asked me ‘can you drive to Northern Ireland or do you need a boat?’ Another one was ‘you vote for the Queen up there don’t you?’ This girl is currently in Maynooth doing a degree. It worries me sometimes the general lack of understanding about anything down there about what’s going on up here and what is actually taught in schools.

 

[krtek a houby]

My girlfriend’s niece (from county Monaghan) asked me ‘can you drive to Northern Ireland or do you need a boat?’ Another one was ‘you vote for the Queen up there don’t you?’ This girl is currently in Maynooth doing a degree. It worries me sometimes the general lack of understanding about anything down there about what’s going on up here and what is actually taught in schools.

I hope the degree's not in geography

 

[Mordi]

My girlfriend’s niece (from county Monaghan) asked me ‘can you drive to Northern Ireland or do you need a boat?’

Fermanagh's not always that wet now, come on.

 

[flypanam]

My girlfriend’s niece (from county Monaghan) asked me ‘can you drive to Northern Ireland or do you need a boat?’ Another one was ‘you vote for the Queen up there don’t you?’ This girl is currently in Maynooth doing a degree. It worries me sometimes the general lack of understanding about anything down there about what’s going on up here and what is actually taught in schools.

Well she ain't from Drum, cos they would know there. Weird, we're surrounded on three sides by the border. She must be doing commerce and international law.