i have to stop you there, as i was under the impression we were talking either of the period 1966 - 2005, or 1969 - 2005, depending on whether you see the start of the uvf campaign as the start of 'the troubles' or the troops being sent in as the start.GarfieldLeChat said:
fanta said:
yeah i think that the systemactic killing of any irish person suspected of being in leauge with the IRA was just the pretext for killing any one, let's face it those who joined the BnT weren't exactly exemplerary humans...butchersapron said:
no you are talking about the prov ira, the comparison which i was drawing was from one stupid comment by toby jug about the fact that the prov ira were the most destructive of all the groups with in the irish conflict which simply isn't true... the fact you want to ershew my poin to make it concere with yours is immaterial to the the fact that yet again toby jug has posted up a stream of unmitigated bigotted baseless bollocks which he was being called on...revol68 said:
i believe one of them was the william hill who founded the famous bookies.GarfieldLeChat said:
Garf, everyone on this thread know this, and no one defends it - it's not that relavent. (I'll leave the 'organised genoicide' bit for now) Do you know what the OIRA and the PIRA is/was?GarfieldLeChat said:
You mightalso want to check out Churchill's role and the later use he put elements of them to in South Wales...Pickman's model said:
i think you may be getting confused, because my understanding at this point is we are talking of the period 1916 - 1921, not the pre-1914 period to which i believe you refer.butchersapron said:
yes ...butchersapron said:
Churchill was sec of state and responsible for sending them in and later used the CO in Wales...when troops were brought into stop a series of strikes (part of the then Triple Alliance) let me check for a bit...Pickman's model said:
yeh, but that's before the first world war when he was home sec'y.butchersapron said:
No, it's the art of accuracy - we're simply not talking about the old IRA here. We're trying to limit it to the current cycle. Otherwise we might as well bring in everything that ever happened. And yes, the B&Ts do still serve as a useful galvanising myth for republicans.GarfieldLeChat said:yes ...
and it's entirely relevant to point out to toby that his comment was plain wrong...
you think the pira would have exisited at all with out the context...
you cannot just draw a line underneither one era of hisotry and say that has no consiquences to the future...
christ isn't that the art of revisionism...
Pickman's model said:
i know chap i was attempting to counter tobyjugs bullshit statement nothing morebutchersapron said:
and where's tobyjug now, eh?GarfieldLeChat said:
In Bloom said:
rioted said:
head in oven ? one hopes....Pickman's model said:and where's tobyjug now, eh?
define innocent please...CUMBRIANDRAGON said:
GarfieldLeChat said:
the essex regiment, who were separate from the blank'n'tans/auxies - general percival.absinthe said:
