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‘AA’, the British state and the IRA

Looks like an interesting book, I'll have to look that one up. But in your pic it says "Fianna Fail members were accused of creating the conservative Provisionals to undercut the radical Republicans. In fact, two members of the Irish cabinet. . . were sacked". The problem is that Haughey and Blaney weren't sacked until the Arms crisis in 1970. The cabinet discussion cited in my link above occurred sometime around mid-1969 (in an atmosphere where it really did look like NI catholics were going to be wiped out, at least according to what my Mum said when I asked her about the period). The sacking of H and B in 1970 by no means contradicts any earlier claim of plotting to encourage a split (a split whose rough outline was already emerging anyway).

The other thing is that we still don't really know what Jack Lynch thought of it all. Was he initially sympathetic to the thought of arming the north, only to pull back when the implications became apparent? Or was he just riding the tiger of an issue that had the potential to split FF, never mind any other organization?

The pertinent point is the very reason it looked like northern Catholics were about to be wiped out was because they were utterly defenceless . There had been previous pogroms over the decades but the means to withstand them were to hand on those occasions . Their complete absence on this occasion in itself was solely due to the direction the then IRA leadership had taken the organisation . On the advice of their clueless and reformist socialist advisers. And it was that direction , the reformist nature of it, which caused the split, not Fianna Fail .

FF didn't arm anyone . They had no leverage with which to split anyone. And what's more the " attacks on private property " the memo refers to we're the spate of mansion burnings in Meath and North Louth . Which were resoundingly popular among even the most conservative factions of republicans . Which were instigated and carried out by those southern based republicans who founded the Provos . And which had actually been stopped prior to that memo, solely because the later sticky leadership put a stop to them in case it encouraged more militancy . Which it did. They wanted to turn the IRA into little more than the internal police force of the newly Bolshevised " workers party " they were trying to turn Sinn Fein into .

In the same period they tried and narrowly failed to have Richard Behal ...himself a marxist and one of the most active militants in the south...executed for attacking a British warship in Waterford, despite authorising the attack they thought wouldn't actually happen . It was the later sticks who were furiously clamping down on militancy in the south in the 1960s . Most certainly not " the conservative Provos " .

TV programme recalls armed attack on warship


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Behal explains this period very articulately from a first hand socialist perspective .

 
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Worth listening to these ones for anyone falling for that sticky conspiracy bollocks . Especially part 3 were Behal goes into detail at the fate that befell anyone who engaged in radical actions in the south, at the hands of these " socialist radicals " we hear so much about .
 
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No, it's not:


"Former leading Official IRA member Bobby McKnight, 71, breaks his 40-year silence in a new book on the organisation published today.

Belfast man McKnight, who in 1969 was a member of the IRA command staff, states that along with another man he drove to Dublin Airport in September 1969. There he met then minister for finance Charles Haughey’s brother, Jock, and took delivery of several cases of weaponry, which filled his pickup truck, these were then transported to IRA members in Dublin.

In The Lost Revolution – The Story of the Official IRA and the Workers Party, written by Irish Examiner journalist Scott Millar and historian Brian Hanley, McKnight confirms his role in the arms plot which resulted in the major political crisis of the 1970 Arms Trial.

He is the first persondirectly involved in the transportation of arms shipments organised by government ministers to the IRA to confirm the existence of the plot.

McKnight confirms there were contacts between the IRA and Fianna Fáil representatives even prior to the outbreak of widescale violence in Northern Ireland in August 1969.

The book also reveals the extent of government fears about a resurgent IRA south of the border and plans to split the organisation along left/right lines, a strategy which aided the creation of the Provisional IRA.

A Department of Justice cabinet memo, dated March 18, 1969, whose contents are revealed for the first time, states: “In different parts of the country units of the IRA (and Sinn Féin) are uneasy about the new left-wing policy of their leadership and about theviolent methods that are being adopted in the destruction of private property.

“Their uneasiness needs to be brought to the surface in some way with a consequent fragmentation of the organisation. It is suggested by the Department of Justice that the Government should promote an active political campaign in that regard.”

The memo indicates that Jack Lynch’s cabinet was discussing plans to split the IRA at least five months prior to the outbreak of major violence, and the death of civilians, in the North.


Within nine months the IRA had split into socialist Official and more traditional Provisional factions."



Former IRA member reveals ministers’ role in arms plot

I hear the northern landmass on Planet Loon is quite nice this time of year. What say you, Ambassador?

Calling from Planet Loon..calling from planet loon. On behalf of loons everywhere I'd like to know that when your not making smug, smartarse additions to your posts in an attempt to sound clever about stuff you don't know a lot about.. ..do you even read your own posts ?

Because apart from everything else I've.pointed out that's wrong with your conspiraloon theory ..one of the main planks of your own argument seems to be that FF helped create the Provos by ...um...giving leading stickie..Bobby McKnight...a case load of guns to give to the IRA leadership in Dublin...who at the time....September 1969... were Cathal Goulding and co. 2 months before the long forecasted IRA split . Which had pretty much been on the cards since 1965 by that stage .

Please explain to the loons how arming the sticks and the Goulding leadership even remotely helped create the Provos ? . Or even remotely backs up the claim that FF favoured the Provos over the sticks ? Your claim purports the exact opposite occurred . That they were instead arming the Goulding faction . The logic in this conspiracy strikes me as pretty wobbly. Or..utter bollocks to be more precise about it .
 


Grim subject matter aside there's a great moment in No Stone Unturned from around 1h21m12s, when director Alex Gibney, offscreen, asks journalist Barry McCaffrey questions about what happened when years after the massacre he tracked down the then-retired deputy SIO of the original RUC investigation, Albert Carroll, to a sleepy French village:

Gibney: Did you show Albert Carroll the leaked [ombudsman's] report in which he was named?

McCaffrey: Yes.

Gibney: What was his reaction when he saw how much you knew about his role?

McCaffrey: He shit himself!

<Crew falls into hysterics, McCaffrey tries to recompose himself>

McCaffrey: He was very defensive. Yes, he was very defensive and edgy.
 
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In the case of the murder of Pat Finucane, there's a clear benefit to the state. Where was the benefit to the state in the Shankill road bombing?

You could kid yourself, in some cases, that your acts of murder were a desperate necessity in a desperate situation, and lie to yourself that bad as it was, it was in a good cause. You can't really say that if you murdered those people because you were a fucking incompetent.
Today's the 25th anniversary of the Shankill road bomb. RTE has just asked a lad who lost his sister how his family dealt with it: "not too good" is how he put it.
 
Revisiting the ‘AA’ affair is making my head hurt.

This blog - which contains just two posts, one of which is nonsensical, with nothing indicating who's behind it or anything - makes specific claims, though without any evidence, and with many spelling errors.

The Curious Case of The Rat, The Pig, And The Weasel.

All sorts of names are thrown into the mix. It claims ‘AA’ was ‘James McGrillian’, but I can't find anything about this person online. (Elsewhere others claim the Ardoyne commander around this time was Eddie Copeland, subsequently ousted in Cheeser Crawford's favour.) The bonkers blog meanwhile claims that Copeland claimed to a journalist source that McGrillian was responsible for the Shankill bombing, and had ‘jarked’ the bomb.

Then there's a bunch of stuff about the son of Maze escape architect Larry Marley being one of a select few directed to analyse the material stolen from Castlereagh. The blog claims that he was also involved in unpleasant stuff in Dundalk, but that his familiarity with the RUC files meant he was able to protect himself by blackmailing the Belfast leadership over how “at least 30 members of the PIRA’s Belfast Brigade were...state agents”.
 

A follow-up - Birney and McCaffrey took this to the Investigatory Powers Tribunal, where stone me it was revealed PSNI spent inordinate resources on spying on them, their families and pretty much anyone who came into contact with them, all as part of an effort to figure out who their sources were...

 
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