Insurance company CEO assassinated in New York

[spring-peeper]

 

[Lord Camomile]

On the whole "they won't publish his manifesto" thing, isn't that now standard/recommended practice for high profile shootings/killings? Basically to try and reduce the incentive for others to kill in order to 'be heard'?

So, while there are no doubt many in the media who disagree with him, the fact his manifesto isn't being published isn't necessarily particularly strong evidence of that?

 

[mojo pixy]

On the whole "they won't publish his manifesto" thing, isn't that now standard/recommended practice for high profile shootings/killings? Basically to try and reduce the incentive for others to kill in order to 'be heard'?

I haven't looked because I don't want to, but I expect it can be found online in dark corners. It'll certainly reach everyone who wants to find it, nobody can stop that and that's no less powerful/dangerous (delete as applicable) than if it got serialised in the national enquirer. Which it still might...

 

[Yossarian]

I haven't looked because I don't want to, but I expect it can be found online in dark corners. It'll certainly reach everyone who wants to find it, nobody can stop that and that's no less powerful/dangerous (delete as applicable) than if it got serialised in the national enquirer. Which it still might...

They wouldn't need to serialise it - his manifesto is only 262 words long, it would have fit into three or four tweets.

I think just about every word of it, and definitely the few lines relevant to his motive, has already been quoted in news reports

 

[mojo pixy]

They wouldn't need to serialise it - his manifesto is only 262 words long, it would have fit into three or four tweets.

I think just about every word of it, and definitely the few lines relevant to his motive, has already been quoted in news reports

Fair enough. Other publications might run the whole thing but the national enquirer might need to serialise it so as to fit in the pictures.

 

[Oriole]

I assumed that was connected with the shooting, but it says the debt was lifted in early November, still good news for the people involved.

The thing with this though is that, it's a commercial gesture to smoothe the PR ripples from the original article not a change in policy and you know the next wave will be hounded the same.

 

[Elpenor]

Have we had “Buff Luigi the Vampire Capitalist Slayer” yet?

 

[xenon]

I haven't looked because I don't want to, but I expect it can be found online in dark corners. It'll certainly reach everyone who wants to find it, nobody can stop that and that's no less powerful/dangerous (delete as applicable) than if it got serialised in the national enquirer. Which it still might...

It was linked to a few pages back. It's unlikely to radicalise anyone who isn't already appalled at the US health care system. I read it and can't actually remember any phrases from it.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I haven't looked because I don't want to, but I expect it can be found online in dark corners. It'll certainly reach everyone who wants to find it, nobody can stop that and that's no less powerful/dangerous (delete as applicable) than if it got serialised in the national enquirer. Which it still might...

There have been much longer versions circulating online. I suspect that they're all fake and reflect the faker's experience more than his.

 

[yield]

Jesse Welles Eviscerates UnitedHealthcare in New Protest Song

Hear Jesse Welles' takedown of the healthcare industry in his new protest song.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[spring-peeper]

 

[Indeliblelink]

This statement by Michael Moore is worth a read.
‘Yes, I condemn murder’: Michael Moore responds to Luigi Mangione’s manifesto

Moore has frequently tackled the for-profit healthcare industry, in particular in 2007 film Sicko, and wrote an open letter in response to repeated media requests for comment, following the news that the film-maker was reportedly cited in Mangione’s own writings.

“After the killing of the CEO of United HealthCare,” wrote Moore, “the largest of these billion dollar insurance companies, there was an immediate OUTPOURING of anger toward the health insurance industry. Some people have stepped forward to condemn this anger. I am not one of them.
“The anger is 1000% justified. It is long overdue for the media to cover it. It is not new. It has been boiling. And I’m not going to tamp it down or ask people to shut up. I want to pour gasoline on that anger.”
Moore continued: “Because this anger is not about the killing of a CEO. If everyone who was angry was ready to kill the CEOs, the CEOs would already be dead. That is not what this reaction is about. It is about the mass death and misery – the physical pain, the mental abuse, the medical debt, the bankruptcies in the face of denied claims and denied care and bottomless deductibles on top of ballooning premiums – that this ‘health care’ industry has levied against the American people for decades. With no one standing in their way! Just a government – two broken parties – enabling this INDUSTRY’s theft and, yes, murder.
“And now the press is calling me to ask, ‘Why are people angry, Mike? Do you condemn murder, Mike?’
“Yes, I condemn murder, and that’s why I condemn America’s broken, vile, rapacious, bloodthirsty, unethical, immoral health care industry …”
“But don’t get me wrong. No one needs to die,” added Moore. “In fact, that’s my point. No one needs to die – no one should die because they don’t ‘have’ health insurance. Not one single person should die because their ‘health insurance’ denies their health care in order to make a buck or Thirty Two Billion Bucks.”

In full here. He's put Sicko up on Youtube for free too.

A Manifesto Against For-Profit Health Insurance Companies — by Michael Moore

I hereby give you my Oscar-nominated Documentary on the Killer Health Insurance companies like United HealthCare —SICKO — for FREE… and let’s end and replace this so-called “health care system” NOW

www.michaelmoore.com

 

[brogdale]

This statement by Michael Moore is worth a read.
‘Yes, I condemn murder’: Michael Moore responds to Luigi Mangione’s manifesto

An appropriate and clever response.

“And now the press is calling me to ask, ‘Why are people angry, Mike? Do you condemn murder, Mike?’

“Yes, I condemn murder, and that’s why I condemn America’s broken, vile, rapacious, bloodthirsty, unethical, immoral health care industry …”

“But don’t get me wrong. No one needs to die,” added Moore. “In fact, that’s my point. No one needs to die – no one should die because they don’t ‘have’ health insurance. Not one single person should die because their ‘health insurance’ denies their health care in order to make a buck or Thirty Two Billion Bucks.”

 

[Rompipalle]

I originally wasn't going to mention this, as it's personal to my family but it is significant also because of today's date.

I have relatives - my late Mum's cousin and his wife and some of their family - who have lived in Florida for many years. Their son developed stomach cancer several years ago and as he could not afford to pay for medical insurance, he was unable to access treatment, other than medication that he was able to get via walk-in clinics.

Rather than face a long and painful illness and in order to spare his family any burden of responsibility or expense, 17 years ago today he took himself off to the Everglades with a shotgun. His suicide note arrived at his parents' home two days later. They had not even known that he was unwell.

His body has never been found.

EDIT sorry, I made a typo.

 

[andysays]

Thanks for sharing your family's story Rompipalle, and best wishes to you all today.

I don't know whether there are figures available for the number of people driven to this sort of measure every year, and the number of families left to pick up the pieces afterwards, but I don't imagine they're insignificant.

I haven't quoted in case you choose to edit your post later

 

[Rompipalle]

Thanks for sharing your family's story Rompipalle, and best wishes to you all today.

I don't know whether there are figures available for the number of people driven to this sort of measure every year, and the number of families left to pick up the pieces afterwards, but I don't imagine they're insignificant.

I haven't quoted in case you choose to edit your post later

Thank you. In fact, I never met him but I spent several days with his parents when we visited Florida a number of years ago. They had by then come to terms with the loss of their son but I think it has always troubled them greatly that they were unaware of his situation and therefore unable to offer him any support.

There's also the fact that officially he is still classed as missing, as his body has never been found - and nor is it likely to be - which means that absolute closure is not possible.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's awful Rompipalle, yet I suspect it is all too common.

Utter madness in the richest country on earth to be in this situation, for a tiny fraction of what is spent on healthcare in the US they could have the very best NHS type system in the world and 99.9% of Americans would be significantly better off financially than they currently are, yet they don't seem to even consider it as an option.

 

[gentlegreen]

Utter madness in the richest country on earth to be in t7his situation, for a tiny fraction of what is spent on healthcare in the US they could have the very best NHS type system in the world and 99.9% of Americans would be significantly better off financially than they currently are, yet they don't seem to even consider it as an option.

Meanwhile eating themselves into sickness - though clearly a lot of them are victims of doing 3 jobs and living in food deserts with broccoli costing as much as a whole fast-food meal...
If anything, this particular shooting surprised me more than the standard mass-shootings because, no matter the cause, this guy ostensibly had everything to live for.

 

[weltweit]

..
Utter madness in the richest country on earth to be in this situation, for a tiny fraction of what is spent on healthcare in the US they could have the very best NHS type system in the world and 99.9% of Americans would be significantly better off financially than they currently are, yet they don't seem to even consider it as an option.

When I have had the chance to discuss healthcare with individual Americans they initially complain that the UK NHS is socialist which they don't like. When asked further about that it is that they could end up paying for someone else's healthcare issues that they seem to resent.

Seems odd, to complain about what is basically a state run health insurance policy - when they do pay for insurance on other things, car house etc .. so why not health?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

When I have had the chance to discuss healthcare with individual Americans they initially complain that the UK NHS is socialist which they don't like. When asked further about that it is that they could end up paying for someone else's healthcare issues that they seem to resent.

Seems odd, to complain about what is basically a state run health insurance policy - when they do pay for insurance on other things, car house etc .. so why not health?

I hope that you pointed out they already are with their private healthcare if they don't make a claim.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

When I have had the chance to discuss healthcare with individual Americans they initially complain that the UK NHS is socialist which they don't like. When asked further about that it is that they could end up paying for someone else's healthcare issues that they seem to resent.

Seems odd, to complain about what is basically a state run health insurance policy - when they do pay for insurance on other things, car house etc .. so why not health?

All Americans I speak with seem to know that every other developed nation has a much better system, but no one seems to know how to make it happen in the US.

The dead prick's company alone turns over something insane like >$30bn a year, that buys a lot of government lobbying and media bullshit, I guess.

 

[weltweit]

I hope that you pointed out they already are with their private healthcare if they don't make a claim.

Free at the point of use.

What? Whats that? Paid for by taxation.

It isn't a concept people easily get their heads around.

 

[weltweit]

..
The dead prick's company alone turns over something insane like >$30bn a year, that buys a lot of government lobbying and media bullshit, I guess.

I think there is a lot in that. Established businesses ..

 

[UnderOpenSky]

All Americans I speak with seem to know that every other developed nation has a much better system, but no one seems to know how to make it happen in the US.

The dead prick's company alone turns over something insane like >$30bn a year, that buys a lot of government lobbying and media bullshit, I guess.

Also if your doing well in America your experience of health care is probably better then the NHS.

 

[Yossarian]

The NY charges against Mangione have been upgraded to "first-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism" - he's fucked, unless he gets a jury full of UnitedHealthcare victims

Luigi Mangione indicted on murder and terror-related charges in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing

The 26-year-old Ivy League grad charged with murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on a Manhattan sidewalk this month has been indicted by a grand jury in the case, the district attorney’s office announced Tuesday. Luigi Mangione stands accused of first-degree murder, in furtherance of...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The NY charges against Mangione have been upgraded to "first-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism" - he's fucked, unless he gets a jury full of UnitedHealthcare victims

Luigi Mangione indicted on murder and terror-related charges in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing

The 26-year-old Ivy League grad charged with murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on a Manhattan sidewalk this month has been indicted by a grand jury in the case, the district attorney’s office announced Tuesday. Luigi Mangione stands accused of first-degree murder, in furtherance of...

www.nbcnewyork.com

This does not surprise me at all. He's never getting out.

 

[gentlegreen]

Also if your doing well in America your experience of health care is probably better then the NHS.

Albeit over-diagnosed and over-medicated.
I so often hear of them getting colonoscopies where we would just send a poo sample.
And "my <insert specialist> says"...

 

[gentlegreen]

This does not surprise me at all. He's never getting out.

He surely has to be mentally ill?
Like so many random terrorists...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He surely has to be mentally ill?
Like so many random terrorists...

Probably. That won't spare him.

 

[PR1Berske]

"Manhattan District Attorney Alvin L. Bragg, Jr., and New York City Police Department Commissioner Jessica S. Tisch today announced the indictment of LUIGI MANGIONE, 26, for the murder of 50-year-old United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside of the Hilton Hotel in Midtown on December 4, 2024.

MANGIONE is charged in a New York State Supreme Court indictment with;

one count of Murder in the First Degree, in furtherance of terrorism;
two counts of Murder in the Second Degree, one of which is charged as killing as an act of terrorism;
two counts of Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the Second Degree;
four counts of Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the Third Degree;
one count of Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the Fourth Degree;
and one count of Criminal Possession of a Forged Instrument in the Second Degree"