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not henry said:
This reminds me of the case where the jury accepted the argument of four women - going under the name the Ploughshare Four - that their action was reasonable under the Genocide Act. They seriously fucked up a hawk warplane but argued that their actions had prevented a greater crime from occurring.
Also in USA courts the juries of (12-14 people) only require one member to "have doubts" before a mistrial is declared. Although it nessecitates a retrial, two or three consecutive jury members could wear down the prosecution and enable defendant to leave without a stain on his character.
I think OP missed a trick when he ommitted to include a poll at the beginning, (maybe another thread?)
Could be
Would you have grassed?
yes (because i am an absolute cunt)
no (because any other reason)
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I don't think the two cases could be much more different.

The Seeds of Hope action caused under 2 million quids worth of damage to a jet bound for Indonesia. Nobody died and they spent a few months on remand.

This bloke has cold-bloodedly shot a man to death on a city street.
 
bcuster said:
Has the case against Robin Hood been lost already?

  • Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the December 4 murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, appeared in court for the first time on December 9. During the hearing, Mangione allegedly claimed that evidence found on him, including a large sum of money and a mysterious backpack, may have been planted.
Reference:
Luigi Mangione Claims Evidence in CEO Killing Was 'Planted ...
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Can't of been him...didn't he have back surgery in the summer..? Chances are he was probably on hold withe someone trying to sort out the insurance...you know how things go m'lord
 
Spymaster said:
I don't think the two cases could be much more different.

The Seeds of Hope action caused under 2 million quids worth of damage to a jet bound for Indonesia. Nobody died and they spent a few months on remand.

This bloke has cold-bloodedly shot a man to death on a city street.
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Its not the point that the damage was two million or nobody died, its the fact that they were found not guilty and their actions were deemed reasonable.

"Accused of causing, and conspiring to cause, criminal damage, with a maximum ten-year sentence, they pleaded not guilty arguing that what they did was not a crime but that they "were acting to prevent British Aerospace and the British Government from aiding and abetting genocide", referring to the genocide taking place in East Timor. They were found not guilty of criminal damage at Liverpool Crown Court, after a jury deemed their action reasonable under the Genocide Act 1969.

The prevention of a greater evil is a justification used by police to shoot and kill innocent people (Jean Charles da Silva e de Menezes, Chris Kaba etc.)

"This bloke has cold-bloodedly shot a man to death on a city street."
Im afraid we just dont know that. A person is deemed innocent until the jury find him guilty. Even then the reasons may mitigate the actions
 
not henry said:
Its not the point that the damage was two million or nobody died, its the fact that they were found not guilty and their actions were deemed reasonable.

"Accused of causing, and conspiring to cause, criminal damage, with a maximum ten-year sentence, they pleaded not guilty arguing that what they did was not a crime but that they "were acting to prevent British Aerospace and the British Government from aiding and abetting genocide", referring to the genocide taking place in East Timor. They were found not guilty of criminal damage at Liverpool Crown Court, after a jury deemed their action reasonable under the Genocide Act 1969.

The prevention of a greater evil is a justification used by police to shoot and kill innocent people (Jean Charles da Silva e de Menezes, Chris Kaba etc.)

"This bloke has cold-bloodedly shot a man to death on a city street."
Im afraid we just dont know that. A person is deemed innocent until the jury find him guilty. Even then the reasons may mitigate the actions
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Load of old nonsense.

There's a massive difference between smashing a plane that'll arguably be used to kill people and murdering a man because you disapprove of his perfectly legal occupation.

As far as innocent until proven guilty is concerned; that's just a banal old cliché in this case, unless he's not the bloke in the video. If he is, he's a nailed-on murderer and he's going to prison for the rest of his natural.
 
not henry said:
Its not the point that the damage was two million or nobody died, its the fact that they were found not guilty and their actions were deemed reasonable.

"Accused of causing, and conspiring to cause, criminal damage, with a maximum ten-year sentence, they pleaded not guilty arguing that what they did was not a crime but that they "were acting to prevent British Aerospace and the British Government from aiding and abetting genocide", referring to the genocide taking place in East Timor. They were found not guilty of criminal damage at Liverpool Crown Court, after a jury deemed their action reasonable under the Genocide Act 1969.

The prevention of a greater evil is a justification used by police to shoot and kill innocent people (Jean Charles da Silva e de Menezes, Chris Kaba etc.)

"This bloke has cold-bloodedly shot a man to death on a city street."
Im afraid we just dont know that. A person is deemed innocent until the jury find him guilty. Even then the reasons may mitigate the actions
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Still . Damaging things vs killing someone. They're really not comparable.

EtA and when the police fuck up, they are protected by the state. Even when their story is physically impossible like it was with the Mark Duggan murder. But Luigi isn't a copper...
 
Spymaster said:
This bloke has cold-bloodedly shot a man to death on a city street.
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How do you know this? He could just have easily been in a total state internally at the time of the shooting. It hasn't even been confirmed that Mangione was the shooter. At present, he's still only a suspect. You make a lot of assumptions about something you know little about.
 
Serge Forward said:
How do you know this? He could just have easily been in a total state internally at the time of the shooting. It hasn't even been confirmed that Mangione was the shooter. At present, he's still only a suspect. You make a lot of assumptions about something you know little about.
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Don't be ridiculous.

If he isn't the bloke in the video then of course none of the above applies.
 
not henry said:
Its not the point that the damage was two million or nobody died, its the fact that they were found not guilty and their actions were deemed reasonable.

"Accused of causing, and conspiring to cause, criminal damage, with a maximum ten-year sentence, they pleaded not guilty arguing that what they did was not a crime but that they "were acting to prevent British Aerospace and the British Government from aiding and abetting genocide", referring to the genocide taking place in East Timor. They were found not guilty of criminal damage at Liverpool Crown Court, after a jury deemed their action reasonable under the Genocide Act 1969.

The prevention of a greater evil is a justification used by police to shoot and kill innocent people (Jean Charles da Silva e de Menezes, Chris Kaba etc.)

"This bloke has cold-bloodedly shot a man to death on a city street."
Im afraid we just dont know that. A person is deemed innocent until the jury find him guilty. Even then the reasons may mitigate the actions
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Well, this is the biggest loads of bollocks I've read on here this year, and the bar was set very high, so well done.
 
As an aiside - and as a current student of Italian - it's rather poetic that Mangione was "recognised" in a branch of Burger King.

Mangione in Italian translates as "glutton". 🤭

Edit: typo
 
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cupid_stunt said:
Well, this is the biggest loads of bollocks I've read on here this year, and the bar was set very high, so well done.
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Why Thank You. Also it is very late in the year so I may not be overtaken.
While we let the praise fade away, was there any particular aspect to the post that stood out for you because I conflated several points and quoted from more than one source. Did you think that it was simply "all bollocks" or was there a particular "bollock" that you did so want to be tugging away at
 
cupid_stunt said:
Well, this is the biggest loads of bollocks I've read on here this year, and the bar was set very high, so well done.
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I take it you're not familiar with the poster? He said that Constance Marten and Mark Gordon should 'run like the wind', because they were being persecuted by the nasty intrusive state.

Admittedly, that was last year.
 
ouirdeaux said:
I take it you're not familiar with the poster? He said that Constance Marten and Mark Gordon should 'run like the wind', because they were being persecuted by the nasty intrusive state.

Admittedly, that was last year.
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And since then its all been through legal channels. Perverting the course of justice (who hasnt told a copper a fib) and concealing a birth (which they may not have had to do if they were not being pursued by a baying mob)
I cannot remember however saying anything about a nasty intrusive state. Are those my words or your projections
 
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