Industrial music and its relationship(??) to fascism

[sunnysidedown]

we need a total proletarian possesion of the body politic, Papa Legba in a donkey jacket.

Marxist-Legbaism

You've nothing to lose but your souls.

 

[Idris2002]

That's what slave castes are for.

 

[Idris2002]

we need a total proletarian possesion of the body politic, Papa Legba in a donkey jacket.

Marxist-Legbaism

You've nothing to lose but your souls.

 

[TruXta]

I'd be surprised if there aren't any marxist-influenced syncretic religions around.

 

[sunnysidedown]

Have you read this? I'll have to add it to the pile/list.

 

[Idris2002]

Have you read this? I'll have to add it to the pile/list.

I've read it 'til the pages were falling out, and have taught it in class. People used to see me walking around with it, and worry. . .

I also have a pdf of it, if you're keen.

 

[Idris2002]

I'd be surprised if there aren't any marxist-influenced syncretic religions around.

 

[sunnysidedown]

I've read it 'til the pages were falling out, and have taught it in class. People used to see me walking around with it, and worry. . .

I also have a pdf of it, if you're keen.

cheers, that would be great

 

[TruXta]

snip

It's not syncretic tho.

 

[frogwoman]

You should know.

that is amazing

 

[TruXta]

Maybe Santeria is a candidate?

 

[sunnysidedown]

It's not syncretic tho.

from the discordian corner: http://chaosmarxism.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/chaos-marxism-manifesto-20.html

 

[Idris2002]

cheers, that would be great

Well send me a PM with your email address. Health warning: the ethnographic cases Taussig discusses in that book were done by other people, rather than by he himself.

 

[Idris2002]

It's not syncretic tho.

Well, it's heretical, which is the next best thing, surely?

 

[TruXta]

from the discordian corner: http://chaosmarxism.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/chaos-marxism-manifesto-20.html

I don't really see them as a religious outfit. West Coast hippie shit.

Well, it's heretical, which is the next best thing, surely?

It is?

 

[Idris2002]

I don't really see them as a religious outfit. West Coast hippie shit.

It is?

You betcha!

 

[TruXta]

Oh I miss that guy.

 

[trabuquera]

Maybe Santeria is a candidate?

yes, but no. Santeria's position in Cuba is particularly interesting as throughout the 1960s to 1980s (when Cuba's Communist Party was still very much into the Stalinist Soviet mindset) Santeria was condemned as "backward folk traditions of the ignorant and uneducated", its rites and sacrifices as "grotesque waste of economic resources" and actively persecuted (i.e. those holding Santeria rituals would be reported, have their Party cards withdrawn, could be prosecuted for 'illegal assembly' etc, and nobody would openly wear Santeria-related items). But after the post 1989 economic collapse ... and in fact maybe even a bit before that ... the Party structures suddenly did a 180 and began to laud it as the cultural strength of the oppresssed classes, with extra dashes of "friendliness" to Afro Cubans etc etc.

Santeria itself is big on polytheism and tricksterism (so it could be said to back up the poor and rebellious) but it's also saturated with non-equality-loving images (kingship, different roles for men and women, and everything being achieved through the medium of sacrifice, which is mostly economic sacrifice) so it's not really easy to pin down as having any ideological position at all.

 

[sunnysidedown]

I don't really see them as a religious outfit. West Coast hippie shit.

The blog mixes Sufism with Gramsci/Althusser amongst other things, although they appear to be from New Zealand which may explain a lot.

 

[sunnysidedown]

Vodou, Possession and the Revolutionary Unconscious

Link

 

[Casually Red]

You don't know much about Paganism, do you?

What you're dealing with in terms of this thread are post-Christian manifestations of what the celebrants believe to be pre-Christian rites. They're not, they're mostly interpretations of rites taken from translations of 8th and 9th century Eddas written by (oh the irony!) Christian monks.

Neo-Paganism has so many facets that just saying "paganism" is specious. You need to elucidate which paganism you're talking about.

Oh I see..we have a pagan apologist among us . Sticking up for them .

Plainly they never learned their lesson last time round. If those fuckos want dark theres nobody does it better than us .

a new inquistion mightnt do any harm, theyd never expect it .

 

[butchersapron]

They're about as scary as the weston carnival.

 

[TruXta]

Oh I see..we have a pagan apologist among us . Sticking up for them .

Plainly they never learned their lesson last time round. If those fuckos want dark theres nobody does it better than us .

a new inquistion mightnt do any harm, theyd never expect it .

Sounding a bit too much like dwyer there.

 

[Casually Red]

i dunno, if i see the local priest I run . Hes usually looking for money .

 

[ouchmonkey]

on a simpler tip - unfortunate...

http://gawker.com/this-68-marc-jacobs-t-shirt-looks-just-like-a-neo-nazi-1292590889

 

[audiotech]

what, the fascist music scene? death in june, mentioned in the post to which i was responding, are definitely dodgy.

.....and still promoting shite.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I'd be surprised if there aren't any marxist-influenced syncretic religions around.

Raquel Rolnik: A dabbler in witchcraft who offered an animal sacrifice to Marx

(Daily Mail)

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh I see..we have a pagan apologist among us . Sticking up for them .

Plainly they never learned their lesson last time round. If those fuckos want dark theres nobody does it better than us .

a new inquistion mightnt do any harm, theyd never expect it .

Those Spanish dupes are about as 'ard as a tub of lard. A Wiccan could do the lot of 'em.

 

[Chick Webb]

I just remembered a non-industrial, non-metal and presumably non-rightwing example of bands spouting dodgy pagan nonsense. Some crust band (I can't remember which one, they all look alike to me, maybe Scatha) had a quote on one of their inlay cards praising human sacrifice. You might think that they'd be messing saying something like that, but the quote seemed quite earnest. It said something along the lines of once we sacrificed ourselves to save the earth, now we sacrifice the earth etc. blah blah. Good old crusties. Making human sacrifice sound right-on.

 

[Limerick Red]

I just remembered a non-industrial, non-metal and presumably non-rightwing example of bands spouting dodgy pagan nonsense. Some crust band (I can't remember which one, they all look alike to me, maybe Scatha) had a quote on one of their inlay cards praising human sacrifice. You might think that they'd be messing saying something like that, but the quote seemed quite earnest. It said something along the lines of once we sacrificed ourselves to save the earth, now we sacrifice the earth etc. blah blah. Good old crusties. Making human sacrifice sound right-on.

sedition were'nt it