Industrial music and its relationship(??) to fascism

[Fozzie Bear]

Welcome Dictio Scansio and thanks for that thread Orang Utan

Cold Spring and Mikko Aspa and Fernow are all big distributors/labels for their interconnected scenes. Which makes people who want them to handle their music or provide them with stuff to review or maybe adverts reluctant to criticise them.

 

[Dictio Scansio]

He was on that mailing list in the nineties too, and I'd never quite understood how he parlayed his well dodgy aesthetics into a successful career.

 

[Dictio Scansio]

Next thing we know, Richard Ramirez/Black Leather Jesus'll have a residency at OTO.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

About Vatican Shadow's Links With the Far-right

White Noise: On Consequences, Complicity, and Dominick Fernow

jeanhugueskabuiku.substack.com

More of the same.

 

[killer b]

hey Fozzie Bear, on a discussion about the Prurient article elsewhere, someone recommended this comic novella by our mutual (though sadly departed) friend Simon Morris - only just started it but reckon it'll be of interest to many in the thread, it skewers the scene very nicely. Do you know it? Seems to date from the mid-90s, though a lot of the cast & aesthetics are the same of course...

"Bang Out of Order" by Simon Morris : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Unattributed but almost definitely the work of Simon Morris of the brilliant Ceramic Hobs this 24 page booklet is a document of the early 1980's Power...

archive.org

 

[killer b]

hmm although reading later pages it's worth noting it seems to be an 'affectionate homage' to the power electronics scene rather than simply a skewering. still, it's an enjoyable read nonetheless.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

hey Fozzie Bear, on a discussion about the Prurient article elsewhere, someone recommended this comic novella by our mutual (though sadly departed) friend Simon Morris - only just started it but reckon it'll be of interest to many in the thread, it skewers the scene very nicely. Do you know it? Seems to date from the mid-90s, though a lot of the cast & aesthetics are the same of course...

"Bang Out of Order" by Simon Morris : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Unattributed but almost definitely the work of Simon Morris of the brilliant Ceramic Hobs this 24 page booklet is a document of the early 1980's Power...

archive.org

Yes that's great - he sent me it in the early 2000s. His afterword is really worth a read if the pulp fiction doesn't float someone's boat.

Simon was infuriating precisely because he could make a good case for all this stuff, at least in its earliest incarnations (and not the 6th generation photocopies you get in 2021).

 

[killer b]

Simon was infuriating precisely because he could make a good case for all this stuff, at least in its earliest incarnations (and not the 6th generation photocopies you get in 2021).

I wouldn't mind rereading that article on the topic he wrote for your zine, which I've since lost - do you still have a copy?

 

[hitmouse]

Oh yeah, think I'd encountered that story in its blogspot form: Bang Out of Order
Is the postscript what you were thinking of?

 

[killer b]

Oh yeah, think I'd encountered that story in its blogspot form: Bang Out of Order
Is the postscript what you were thinking of?

yeah, that's it.

 

[killer b]

I mean to check out Tim Gane's PE work at some point soon, had no idea about it at all...

 

[hitmouse]

As obscure/dodgy power electronics trivia goes, did anyone ever encounter Barzel? They were, uh, interesting on a conceptual level, I suppose? From what I remember, the music was more or less as enjoyable as any other power electronics is.

 

[ska invita]

may be of interest


forthcoming PM Press

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

may be of interest


forthcoming PM Press

Looks quite good. There's definitely some fun to be had in the way something like Black Metal can be so ostentatiously transgressive but also so intensely conservative at the same time. I'm not surprised to see Drew Daniel is involved, it seems like a bit of a natural follow on from the Soft Pink Truth's BM covers album.

 

[hitmouse]

I suppose this might as well go here as anywhere else - Steve Albini being reflective about the consequences of 80s/90s edgelordism:

‘I’m Overdue for a Discussion About My Role in Inspiring ‘Edgelord’ Shit’: A Conversation with Steve Albini

In a recent Twitter thread, the famed audio engineer owned the ugly parts of his past — years of offensive music, statements and posts — and said his generation needs to talk about how culture has changed

melmagazine.com

 

[krtek a houby]

And more

The evolution of Steve Albini: ‘If the dumbest person is on your side, you’re on the wrong side’

The long read: Steve Albini was long synonymous with the indie underground, playing in revered bands and recording albums by the Pixies, PJ Harvey and Nirvana. He also often seemed determined to offend as many people as possible. What led him to reassess his past?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Fozzie Bear]

And more

The evolution of Steve Albini: ‘If the dumbest person is on your side, you’re on the wrong side’

The long read: Steve Albini was long synonymous with the indie underground, playing in revered bands and recording albums by the Pixies, PJ Harvey and Nirvana. He also often seemed determined to offend as many people as possible. What led him to reassess his past?

www.theguardian.com

Yes I enjoyed that. Really great to see someone being so honest and reflective. He’s unusual in that he no longer needs to appeal to the fanbase of his early bands I think (income-wise).

 

[hitmouse]

12 Rules for What interview about Siege with Spencer Sunshine, who has a new book out on the topic:

Goes into a bit of detail on exactly how deeply involved the likes of Moynihan, Rice, and Parfrey were involved with it. Along with Nicholas Schreck, who adds a much-needed touch of light relief by making it sound like that ogre bloke was somehow mixed up in all this.

ETA: for anyone who wants even more about Rice: