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He certainly speaks for me!
India - Maoists being forced into violence.
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He certainly speaks for me!
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You are an extremely dull cunt, derf. Why is it you NEVER moan about state capitalist violence? I NEVER see you write posts about that but plenty about so called leftist violence. You're extremely thick, ignorant and naive. Next time a capitalist state bombs the fuck out of another country or massacres a load of innocent civilians i'd like to see a thread by you, if I don't see one then you're nothing more than hypocritical wind bag.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
No it doesn't but i'd make an exception for you. I don't normally say things like this but I GENUINELY wouldn't care if there was a revolution in that repressive shit hole of a country you live in and you were strung up by your bollocks and then shot in the face. I mean I wouldn't celebrate it mind but I can honestly say i'd feel some sense of glee if it happened to you.
When will an ignorant cunt like you learn that ultra capitalist ideals simply don't work in practice and end up killing people by the thousand?
When will an ignorant cunt like you learn that all the facts say ultra capitalist countries end up in misery for all but about 3 people living there?
When will an ignorant cunt like you learn that capitalist countries are far down the list on the U.N's human development index and social democratic countries trounce them in all measures of importance?
When will an ignorant cunt like you acknowledge state capitalist crimes to be equal to, if not worse, than so called far left crimes?
When will an ignorant cunt like you learn that the more competitively capitalist a country becomes the more miserable, mentally ill, obese, isolated, lonely and addicted to things people become?
When will an ignorant cunt like you actually just open his fucking eyes and look at the world and see that most of the world is capitalist and most of the world is desperately poor and getting poorer?
Do all that humbly and without the smug attitude you normally demonstrate here and maybe, just maybe, people might start listening to what you have to say. Just show some humility and intellectual honesty ffs. I'd be amazed if you did all that, I really would, but I don't see it forthcoming from you.
Its an insurgency the majority of casualties will be civillians
Wanting people tried by a peoples court and neck shot is the mark of a wanker.
kymer rouge anyone?
things have to be going seriously wrong if maosits are seen as a viable alternative
The KR didn't have courts. You just got sent to 'work' or 'study' somewhere else other than your locale, or summoned to a 'meeting' with Angkar. Sometimes you returned, sometimes you didn't.
I believe the Indian government is guilty of murder and the police may well be guilty of rape in some cases. I can't agree that such things are in any way right but murder in the name of 'the people' is equally wrong.
You are assuming I'm pro the government in whatever they do but if you read my post I have not said that.
The poor there don't have the luxury of fence sitting.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I must've missed the bit where you laid into government as much as rebels. In fact i've missed that bit in every single post you've made here.
You exhibit extraordinary naivety by saying "oh, there's free elections they should do it that way" I mean it's just absurd saying that. Since when did elected governments ever do what the people want? India's a massively unequal society with extremely high illiteracy rates, I doubt most of the people are even aware of who's standing in the election let alone vote in it.
Now i'm not saying I agree with the maoists but your imbalanced criticism and extremely lazy and naive analysis is embarrassing to read.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
It's quite striking, although completely unsurprising, that you ignored post 34, derf.
The thread was about praising the murdering leftists.
Start one having a go at the Indian government and I'll pop in to agree they are doing bad things as well.
Still trying to get you to answer how Moaaists murdering farmers is helping the situation.
I would also agree that taking capitalism to it's extremes is also a fail in the real word. A moderate capitalist system with some social welfare for those in real need is the answer.
Now don't get all smug and assume I know nothing about Asian poor. I see it every day and have lived amongst people with nothing to their name for a long while. If those people took up armed struggle or some silly cunt did it in their name I know exactly what would happen. It's them who would end up worse off or dead as always.
The leftists are just fucking idiots.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
How about you start one instead? You always seem to start one about leftist crimes but never about state crimes. I don't recall you asking me the question about Maoists murdering farmers but it's obvioulsy not going to help. Then again I don't fully know the situation and neither do you.
You talk about a moderate system here whereas before you've advocated a "work or starve" type of society, i.e. like the one in Indonesia. You must love living there, seeing as you don't have to pay for people who can't get jobs and you can actually watch the people you despise starve to death on the streets before your very eyes.
Capitalism in the form you talk about is active in the large majority of the world. It's active in the western countries too and these countries who have it most heavily in the west, U.S and U.K, are low down on the human development index, yet you advocate a "work or starve" policy, if you don't advocate that now then you've had a remarkable turn around. Countries who have brought in and maintained leftist reforms are the countries who have the happiest, healthiest and most literate citizens, they're also more equal and the evidence that supports the benefit of equal, i.e. more socialist societies, is just overwhelming. Yet you say leftists are just stupid. You're not too bright are you? You're not prepared to look at the facts.
Smug? no that's strictly your domain, sir. I didn't say you know nothing about Asian poor, but what makes you thick as pig shit and the disgusting excuse for a human being that you are is you advocate a system that keeps them miserably poor. What's worse is you actually exploit that system, exploit people poorer than you in their country of birth and then celebrate it on a message forum, and you then have the gall to piss and moan about them when they turn round and fight back.
You say they'll end up worse, well I don't see how it could get much worse than living next to an open sewer and then rummaging around in a rubbish tip for a living.
Having spent some time in West Bengal recently, I'd say the rebellion is far more powerful than people in the West understand. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Naxalites take Kolkata within the next year or three.
What they will do with it is unknown. I do know that I won't be there to see it.
What they will do with it is unknown. I do know that I won't be there to see it.
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The Indians love acronyms. Here are some explanations:
CRPF = Central Reserve Police Force
SP = Superintendent of Police
MLA = Member of Legislative Assembly (like an MP)
MoU = Memorandum of Understanding
NHRC = National Human Rights Commissions
SC = Supreme Court
CM = Chief Minister
FIR = First Information Report
DCP = Deputy Commissioner of Police
CII = Confederation of Indian Industry
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Arundhati Roy talks about her experiences being ivolved with Naxals in writing her new book:
http://southasiarev.wordpress.com/2...-on-india-operation-greenhunt-and-revolution/
http://southasiarev.wordpress.com/2...-on-india-operation-greenhunt-and-revolution/
audiotech
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A brave woman indeed in staying in India and speaking out against this sham democracy.
1,600 maoists have been killed recently. 50 percent are women in the resistence, 90,000 in total and villages are being burnt by government supported armed militias, who shoot to kill and rape women. The Indian goverment want the tribal people out, as they've signed an agreement with corporate interests to mine the mineral wealth there. The tribal people want to stay on their land and to be left alone to live their lives as the always have. Chemists not allowed to give out medicines and the people not allowed to go to the market. Their crops are also being burnt in an attempt to starve the people. All schools are occupied by police. 50 percent of all MP's in India are millionaires.
Despite this brutality, there is still hope in forest from the tribal people..
Yes, very brave.
Interesting what she says about India's sham democracy: run by millionaires and corporate puppets. The public enquiries and investigation commissions, all fixed up to return the result the powerful want.
Pretty much like it is in UK. Apart from the occasional exception, like the expenses scandal, corruption here is so firmly established, it is all but invisible. We did our clearances hundreds of years ago. Corporate theft and exploitation is the system and goes largely unnoticed by a distracted and apathetic public.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
So invisible in fact that I've never been asked for a bribe by a police officer or any other kind of official whilst living in the UK.
audiotech
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It was common practise for the local bobby accepting "gifts" not so long ago, particularly from a landlord of a pub.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Fair enough, I'm not saying corruption in the UK doesn't happen (in fact I'd be daft to do so), but in my experience, not on the same scale as India, where baksheesh is part of everyday life.
I'm basing that on living most of life in the UK and never being given the chance to offer a bribe to get something done or get out of shit and 6 months in India where it was clear cash had to be paid to get things done. Of course your experiences may vary.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
only a New Labour apparatchik could come down so unequivocally on the side of that fearless right wing 'dissident', derf.
Good thread! I must say I sympathise with the people of India. I always feel a bit squeamish about violence/the maoists but then living in a nice gated community in Manchester UK with a supermarket on my doorstep and Starbuck's coffee on tap what do I know of the real suffering and what people have to do.
I always like to think there is a 'choice' to use violence but as someone pointed out non-violence only works where you have an active media reflecting the dissent back. As I was reading on another thread political violence is not so far away from our own shores (northern ireland, the 1985/5 miners strike when the SAS was allegedley dragooned in to attack the miners).
I am deeply uneasy about using violence to achieve politcal ends but then as I mentioned in the first paragraph I am a post-modern, pampered, UK resident who is sheltered to some extent from the harsher realities of capitalism. (Modern day serf).
What I can say without equivocation is how BRAVE Arundhati Roy is. As someone who is into writing, journalism, ethnography, anthropology. I don't know If I could be as brave as her in standing up for ordinary people. I am by my own admission (in comparison to Roy) an armchair wadical. Espousing anarchism on U75 but not really putting my neck on the line in any significant way.
As Chomsky says 'states are violent institutions'. I was thinking about that statement last night in bed and came to the conclusion that I was going to abstain from voting in this election (I was gonna vote Lib Dem to promote electoral reform but now realise that is just the same sham and shambles with a slightly different set up). Sorry for the derail. This is an area I am largely ignorant of.
I also agree with that person who said Derf needs to use some intellectual honesty. Having said that you can't force people to think like you even if you think they are misguided on the facts (reference me trying to persuade my gran not to be racist or that the British Empire exploited people in dreadful ways).
I always like to think there is a 'choice' to use violence but as someone pointed out non-violence only works where you have an active media reflecting the dissent back. As I was reading on another thread political violence is not so far away from our own shores (northern ireland, the 1985/5 miners strike when the SAS was allegedley dragooned in to attack the miners).
I am deeply uneasy about using violence to achieve politcal ends but then as I mentioned in the first paragraph I am a post-modern, pampered, UK resident who is sheltered to some extent from the harsher realities of capitalism. (Modern day serf).
What I can say without equivocation is how BRAVE Arundhati Roy is. As someone who is into writing, journalism, ethnography, anthropology. I don't know If I could be as brave as her in standing up for ordinary people. I am by my own admission (in comparison to Roy) an armchair wadical. Espousing anarchism on U75 but not really putting my neck on the line in any significant way.
As Chomsky says 'states are violent institutions'. I was thinking about that statement last night in bed and came to the conclusion that I was going to abstain from voting in this election (I was gonna vote Lib Dem to promote electoral reform but now realise that is just the same sham and shambles with a slightly different set up). Sorry for the derail. This is an area I am largely ignorant of.
I also agree with that person who said Derf needs to use some intellectual honesty. Having said that you can't force people to think like you even if you think they are misguided on the facts (reference me trying to persuade my gran not to be racist or that the British Empire exploited people in dreadful ways).
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
the problem with the maoists fighting like this is that it provides the government and business ever more excuse to use continually greater force and brutality against the population, which is exactly what they want to do.
of course much of the business support for this comes from a chap who lives in a nice big house in the UK
of course much of the business support for this comes from a chap who lives in a nice big house in the UK
Who's that then? (or was it a generalisation?)...
of course much of the business support for this comes from a chap who lives in a nice big house in the UK
Monthly Tata Sponsored Devastation Of Baligotha Village
I love Indian English: they use words and expressions that have long fallen from use in UK.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
What they need is another Dr Ambedkar not some arse handing them weapons
Ghandiji, what ever his skills in opening the eyes of the rural poor to the opportunities they should have was unable to provide an method for them to be provided - merely spinning your own clothes does not add up to much
Nehru had a much better grasp of reality but at the same time created the Permit Raj where the rich went on getting richer while India everyone had to make do with substandard crap.
As for the Tribals - and there are a very large number of designated Tribal groups as you well know - they idea that a few AKs will end up with them having their own state is just bolloks - which is saddly the line that most Naxalite leaders peddle to them
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