India - Maoists being forced into violence.

[audiotech]

Arundhati Roy talks with Sagarika Ghose in a special interview on CNN-IBN.

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[Dr Jon]

Great stuff!

The poor are waking up and organising to defend their communities. Hopefully they will rid India of the disease of capitalism, bringing a return to Gandhian principles.

 

[derf]

Lets see.
6,000 dead in 20 years with 600 civillians last year. Planting land mines that poor people are most likely to get killed by as they work the land.
Last I heard India had pretty free and fair elections. If they want to set up an oppressive government they should fight with words for votes instead
Gandhian ideals included non violence. These are just a bunch of cunts out to impose their ideas on a people that does not vote for them.
http://appliedgandhi.blogspot.com/2008/03/understanding-gandhian-ideal-of-non_20.html

 

[derf]

http://naxalwatch.blogspot.com/search/label/Killed Farmers

Naxals kidnap and kill farmer in Gaya
News Desk - June 4, 2009
GAYA — A farmer was kidnapped and shot dead by suspected naxalites in Bihar’s Gaya district on Thursday, police said.

The Maoists tied the hands of the victims and said they were taking them to a meeting. But after a short distance from their homes, the two Girijans were hacked to death.

Maoist guerrillas have killed five tribal farmers in Chhattisgarh for allegedly defying a Maoist fiat not to cultivate crops in this monsoon season, police said Wednesday.

More than 50 armed leftists swooped on Mallapara village in Bijapur district late Tuesday and slit the throat of the farmers when they were working in a rice field, Bijapur district

And so on. Typical fighting for the people and the poor by killing the ones that disagree with them.
Wonderful bunch of fuckers

 

[Dr Jon]

Did you listen to what she said? Non-violent protest is fine when you have an audience. In India's forests and rural areas, where there is no media to see the rape and slaughter of the poor by the paramilitary police, the corporate theft and destruction of the environment, such action is futile.

Over the past decade, the Indian government has cut funding from community programmes there, like Thatcher did here.

At least the excluded / tribal communities there have the balls to try and stop it.

 

[derf]

Stop it by murdering farmers. How exactly will that help?

There is a thing called elections. If no fucker votes for you, assume they don't want you.
Return to Gandhian principles by killing everyone that disagrees with you. No violence if you have murdered so many people that the rest are shit scared to talk to anyone.

Like I said, Cunts.
So how does murdering poor farmers working a paddy field help poor farmers who work paddy fields?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Great interview.

It's a shame there aren't any Maoists in Indonesia, that cunt derf needs to be shot in a paddy field following a swift trial by Peoples' Court.

 

[derf]

Great interview.

It's a shame there aren't any Maoists in Indonesia, that cunt derf needs to be shot in a paddy field following a swift trial by Peoples' Court.

That post about sums up the extreme left.

If he argues or has free thought, kill the fucker because he's against the people.
Another bunch of commie cunts were at it in Malaysia a few decades ago. They would go into villages at night, steal what they could and force people to support them using gun barrel diplomacy. They killed a load of 'enemies of the people' as well.
Bastards.
When we you daft bastards work out all these ultra left ideals simply don't work in practice and just end up killing by the thousand?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Indigenous peoples fighting paramilitary police working for the corporate state?

Not exactly pleasant, but entirely understandable.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Here's the article she's getting shit off government PR flacks for writing.

The antagonists in the forest are disparate and unequal in almost every way. On one side is a massive paramilitary force armed with the money, the firepower, the media, and the hubris of an emerging Superpower. On the other, ordinary villagers armed with traditional weapons, backed by a superbly organised, hugely motivated Maoist guerrilla fighting force with an extraordinary and violent history of armed rebellion. The Maoists and the paramilitary are old adversaries and have fought older avatars of each other several times before: Telangana in the ’50s; West Bengal, Bihar, Srikakulam in Andhra Pradesh in the late ’60s and ’70s; and then again in Andhra Pradesh, Bihar and Maharashtra from the ’80s all the way through to the present. They are familiar with each other’s tactics, and have studied each other’s combat manuals closely. Each time, it seemed as though the Maoists (or their previous avatars) had been not just defeated, but literally, physically exterminated. Each time, they have re-emerged, more organised, more determined and more influential than ever. Today once again the insurrection has spread through the mineral-rich forests of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and West Bengal—homeland to millions of India’s tribal people, dreamland to the corporate world.

It’s easier on the liberal conscience to believe that the war in the forests is a war between the Government of India and the Maoists, who call elections a sham, Parliament a pigsty and have openly declared their intention to overthrow the Indian State. It’s convenient to forget that tribal people in Central India have a history of resistance that predates Mao by centuries. (That’s a truism of course. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t exist.) The Ho, the Oraon, the Kols, the Santhals, the Mundas and the Gonds have all rebelled several times, against the British, against zamindars and moneylenders. The rebellions were cruelly crushed, many thousands killed, but the people were never conquered. Even after Independence, tribal people were at the heart of the first uprising that could be described as Maoist, in Naxalbari village in West Bengal (where the word Naxalite—now used interchangeably with ‘Maoist’—originates). Since then, Naxalite politics has been inextricably entwined with tribal uprisings, which says as much about the tribals as it does about the Naxalites.

This legacy of rebellion has left behind a furious people who have been deliberately isolated and marginalised by the Indian government. The Indian Constitution, the moral underpinning of Indian democracy, was adopted by Parliament in 1950. It was a tragic day for tribal people. The Constitution ratified colonial policy and made the State custodian of tribal homelands. Overnight, it turned the entire tribal population into squatters on their own land. It denied them their traditional rights to forest produce, it criminalised a whole way of life. In exchange for the right to vote, it snatched away their right to livelihood and dignity.

Having dispossessed them and pushed them into a downward spiral of indigence, in a cruel sleight of hand, the government began to use their own penury against them. Each time it needed to displace a large population—for dams, irrigation projects, mines—it talked of “bringing tribals into the mainstream” or of giving them “the fruits of modern development”. Of the tens of millions of internally displaced people (more than 30 million by big dams alone), refugees of India’s ‘progress’, the great majority are tribal people. When the government begins to talk of tribal welfare, it’s time to worry.

The most recent expression of concern has come from home minister P. Chidambaram who says he doesn’t want tribal people living in “museum cultures”. The well-being of tribal people didn’t seem to be such a priority during his career as a corporate lawyer, representing the interests of several major mining companies. So it might be an idea to enquire into the basis for his new anxiety.

Over the past five years or so, the governments of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and West Bengal have signed hundreds of MoUs with corporate houses, worth several billion dollars, all of them secret, for steel plants, sponge-iron factories, power plants, aluminium refineries, dams and mines. In order for the MoUs to translate into real money, tribal people must be moved.

Therefore, this war.

http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?264738

 

[ernestolynch]

Great interview.

It's a shame there aren't any Maoists in Indonesia, that cunt derf needs to be shot in a paddy field following a swift trial by Peoples' Court.

I'd love that.

 

[derf]

If that bunch of cunts are like the communist lot in Malaysia they need shooting for the good of the people.

In North Malaysia the leftists would enter a village at night and force the people to hand over food at gunpoint.
The British set up 'communist' villages to protect these people from the champions of the people.
It was simple. The British army built a new village and moved the people in. These villages were fenced in and had armed guards to keep the 'fighters for the people' away.
It saved many lives as the communists would kill anyone that argued with them or refused to hand over their food.
I've been to these places and spoken to the victims of the communists. You can take it as read these people are shit scared of the vicious bastard leftists.
Edit - Looking at the reports of farmers murdered by the Maoist forces in India it looks like they are doing the same thing.
Fighting for the people bollocks. They are fighting to form a repressive government that will kill thousands and have an terrible human rights record if they ever managed to win.
Fuck off the lot of them and the apologists on here who are so stupid as to support them.

 

[ernestolynch]

Neckshot

 

[audiotech]

To hear the pitiful shrieking, weeping and howling of women and children, did more trouble me than anything else; God grace? I never heard the like.

Part of a letter written in 1642 during the violent events of the English civil war from the "descending firebrands" (troops).

 

[JimW]

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Edit - Looking at the reports of farmers murdered by the Maoist forces in India it looks like they are doing the same thing.
Fighting for the people bollocks. They are fighting to form a repressive government that will kill thousands and have an terrible human rights record if they ever managed to win.
Fuck off the lot of them and the apologists on here who are so stupid as to support them.

'Looking at the reports' means swallowing the lies of the regime that is the overwhelming instigator of violence in the areas where the insurgents are active. As Arundhati Roy found by doing a bit of proper journalism and going to see for herself:

This cocktail of malice and ignorance is not unusual. Gudsa Usendi, chronicler of the party’s present, knows more about this than most people. His little computer and MP3 recorder are full of press statements, denials, corrections, party literature, lists of the dead, TV clips and audio and video material. “The worst thing about being Gudsa Usendi,” he says, “is issuing clarifications which are never published. We could bring out a thick book of our unpublished clarifications about the lies they tell about us.” He speaks without a trace of indignation, in fact, with some amusement.

“What’s the most ridiculous charge you’ve had to deny?”

He thinks back. “In 2007, we had to issue a statement saying, ‘Nahin bhai, hamne gai ko hathode se nahin mara (No brother, we did not kill the cows with a hammer).’ In 2007, the Raman Singh government announced a Gai Yojana (cow scheme), an election promise, a cow for every adivasi. One day the TV channels and newspapers reported that Naxalites had attacked a herd of cows and bludgeoned them to death—with hammers—because they were anti-Hindu, anti-BJP. You can imagine what happened. We issued a denial. Hardly anybody carried it. Later, it turned out that the man who had been given the cows to distribute was a rogue. He sold them and said we had ambushed him and killed the cows.”

And the most serious?

“Oh, there are dozens, they are running a campaign, after all. When the Salwa Judum started, the first day they attacked a village called Ambeli, burned it down and then all of them—SPOs, the Naga battalion, police—moved towards Kotrapal...you must have heard about Kotrapal? It’s a famous village, it has been burnt 22 times for refusing to surrender. When the Judum reached Kotrapal, our militia was waiting for it. They had prepared an ambush. Two SPOs died. We captured seven, the rest ran away. The next day the newspapers reported that the Naxalites had massacred poor adivasis. Some said we had killed hundreds. Even a respectable magazine like Frontline said we had killed 18 innocent adivasis. Even K. Balagopal, the human rights activist, who is usually meticulous about facts, even he said this. We sent a clarification. Nobody published it. Later, in his book, Balagopal acknowledged his mistake.... But who noticed?”

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264738-0
There's always some utter tool like you dumb enough to swallow all the lies whole - you're the apologist, for the concrete camps and Green Hunt sweeps by paramilitary police in a state-declared free fire zone.

 

[derf]

All seems to be down to who you read and who you believe.
There are a pile of reports of these leftist killing and demanding protection money from the farmers so they don't kill them.
Given the general history of Maoists I'm inclined to believe they are a bunch of fucking bastard cunts.

Unless someone can link me to a site that shows such a group not killing by the thousand when they get control of a country.

 

[ernestolynch]

Neckshot

 

[JimW]

Well, look at the work of the liberal human rights activist Usendi mentions there, K Balagopal: http://balagopal.org/ Here's a choice quote from his 2006 Maoist Movement in Andhra Pradesh (http://www.epw.in/epw/uploads/articles/794.pdf)

Peace per se would be desired by many people in the area. But very few are gleeful that the Maoists have been pushed back as never before. May be they are unrealistic but the ordinary people in their majority would want that the Maoists should be around, guns and all, but there should be peace in the sense of a life free of fear from this side or that. At the height of the six month farce of talks between the Maoists and the government of Andhra Pradesh in the second half of 2004, a common apprehension heard in most of the long-term strongholds of the Naxalites was that the talks was a good thing and it was hoped that some reduction of violence would
result from it, but “they won’t leave us and go away, will they”?.
The fact is that in much of this area the first time the common people experienced anything resembling justice was when the Naxalite movement spread there and taught people not to take injustice lying down...

 

[Dr Jon]

Just spotted this story, which describes how the cops turn villagers into "Maoist" extremists:

Armed police on 30th March allegedly raided a tribal village in the vicinity of Kalinganagar, fired bullets and set houses afire. Panic-stricken villagers of Baligoth fled to the nearby forest to take shelter after nearly seven of them, including a woman, Gurubari Ghagarai, sustained injuries.

 

[sihhi]

Police rape and attack people many times over.
People who help them are attacked and disappeared.

http://moonchasing.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/the-tribal-ruchikas-of-dantewada/

The Magistrate, Amrit Karkate nervously rides his bicycle to court everyday from his house in Konta – the bastion of the very accused. A warrant for the thirty accused is finally issued by the court in October to the police stations of Dornapal, Konta and Bhejji. Yet no arrests are made. The accused are missing. One of them is even giving speeches. The accused SPOs are on duty yet for some reason they’re missing too.

Take the case of Madkam Madvi (name changed) of Bhandarpadar, Konta block, who was allegedly gang-raped by SPOs at Konta police station in April of 2008. According to her testimony, she claims that she was taken to the police station by the Salwa Judum, robbed of some Rs. 25,000, then kept alone in a room. She was first raped by a SPO in an isolated room in the police station, then blindfolded and gang-raped over two days at the station by three more unidentified persons.

Eventually, she was set free and after further harassment she escaped to Andhra Pradesh. She had hoped to start over and had even married.

At this point, members of the Salwa Judum traced her down in Andhra Pradesh and the harassment continued. According to her husband, they had threatened him saying, ‘we were going to sell this girl and earn some money but now that you married her, we have suffered a loss that you shall now have to payback.’ They then stole Rs.3500, one cow, three goats and two chickens to ‘make up for their loss.’ After further threatening them, they went back to Chhattisgarh, ensuring that Madvi would sleep in a different room in a different village every night.

The deposition didn’t happen. On the very day of the hearing there was a rally against the Vanvasi Chetna Ashram, who used to support her emotionally and financially. As of January 6th the Vanvasi Chetna Ashram has ceased to exist, it’s workers arrested, it’s employees threatened, it’s director missing.

The day after, prominent activists Medha Patkar, Sandeep Pandey, D. Gabriele, Kavita Srivastava along with some twenty others were attacked by a mob comprising of members of the Salwa Judum who referred to themselves as ‘Maa Danteswadi Adivasi Swabhimaan Manch’. According to activists, the entire mob was orchestrated by police. And according to local media reports, one of the accused in the Konta Rape case was also part of the mob.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Great stuff!

The poor are waking up and organising to defend their communities. Hopefully they will rid India of the disease of capitalism, bringing a return to Gandhian principles.

Obviously the more people the naxalites kill, the freer the people will be. That's the gandhian way, apparently.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Great interview.

It's a shame there aren't any Maoists in Indonesia, that cunt derf needs to be shot in a paddy field following a swift trial by Peoples' Court.

Well obviously if you agree with killing dissidents in foreign parts you should be practising it here. Perhaps you could set up a Facebook page or put in on twitter. Or are you all mouth and trousers?

 

[Fullyplumped]

Neckshot

You must be very brave indeed, wishing people dead for what they say on the internet. I bet you do that pointy gun motion with your fingers and say "pow!" and maybe even blow imaginary smoke off the end of the barrel when you've finished.

 

[Fruitloop]

derf is a dissident?

 

[Fullyplumped]

derf is a dissident?

He is here!

 

[Fedayn]

You must be very brave indeed, wishing people dead for what they say on the internet. I bet you do that pointy gun motion with your fingers and say "pow!" and maybe even blow imaginary smoke off the end of the barrel when you've finished.

From someone who supports a government that has hundreds of thousands of dead on it's hands that's fucking rich.

 

[Dr Jon]

Obviously the more people the naxalites kill, the freer the people will be. That's the gandhian way, apparently.

 

[Fullyplumped]

From someone who supports a government that has hundreds of thousands of dead on it's hands that's fucking rich.

Well I don't shout "neckshots" like a Toytown revolutionary and do that pointy gun motion with my fingers and say "pow!" and maybe even blow imaginary smoke off the end of the barrel when I've finished.

 

[Fullyplumped]

And you should get those eyes seen to.

 

[Fedayn]

Well I don't shout "neckshots" like a Toytown revolutionary and do that pointy gun motion with my fingers and say "pow!" and maybe even blow imaginary smoke off the end of the barrel when I've finished.

I don't support the Maoists either, but the hypocrisy from you about killing when the party you support has spent billions resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is fucking rich.