I hope the Prez don't suspect me of anything

[snorbury]

nor me suspect them of anything them, (9/11 etc)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5003478.stm

i can really see why france has not joined in in this diabolical war, it would stir up too many memories of the recent past (1940 - 44)

i am directing my anger positively, do you care?

a BBC correspondent has received reports that 30 civilians died and 50 were injured.

 

[snorbury]

Answer: no it's monday morning

to me it's reprisal killing

 

[astronaut]

There's been a lot of fighting in that region over the past few months, so I guess that is the context of this action.

 

[snorbury]

There's been a lot of fighting in that region over the past few months, so I guess that is the context of this action.

yes there's a war going on and no one seems to care

 

[mears]

yes there's a war going on and no one seems to care

But a war that needs to be fought in my opinion. The Taliban has harassed those delivering goods and services to the Afghan people. They work to destableize the regime. On a positive note, the Taliban have gone from controling 95% of the country to now a small guerilla movement.

But you can't just ignore them the way the west ignored the radical jihadists who hijacked Afghanistan in the 1990's when no one was paying attention. The Taliban must be defeated, or at least contained.

What say you?

 

[snorbury]

But a war that needs to be fought in my opinion. The Taliban has harassed those delivering goods and services to the Afghan people. They work to destableize the regime. On a positive note, the Taliban have gone from controling 95% of the country to now a small guerilla movement.

But you can't just ignore them the way the west ignored the radical jihadists who hijacked Afghanistan in the 1990's when no one was paying attention. The Taliban must be defeated, or at least contained.

What say you?

i say it's a crime killing civilians, the nazis did similar things and it is remembered.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

But a war that needs to be fought in my opinion. The Taliban has harassed those delivering goods and services to the Afghan people. They work to destableize the regime. On a positive note, the Taliban have gone from controling 95% of the country to now a small guerilla movement.

But you can't just ignore them the way the west ignored the radical jihadists who hijacked Afghanistan in the 1990's when no one was paying attention. The Taliban must be defeated, or at least contained.

What say you?

Erm wasn't it the glorious Land of the Free that paid for the mujahadeen to fight the socialist govt of Afganistan. These mujahadeen mutated (with a little help from the PK govt into the Taleban. At least under the socialist govt women could go to school.

The current mess in Afghanistan is a cess pit of the Americans making but it will be British troops and ordinary afghans who pay the price.

 

[mears]

Erm wasn't it the glorious Land of the Free that paid for the mujahadeen to fight the socialist govt of Afganistan. These mujahadeen mutated (with a little help from the PK govt into the Taleban. At least under the socialist govt women could go to school.

The current mess in Afghanistan is a cess pit of the Americans making but it will be British troops and ordinary afghans who pay the price.

Uhm, maybe the Soviets should not have invaded the country and blown it to bits in the first place. But its not to cool to blame the Soviets these days since they are kaput.

So the Americans helped the mujahadeem in their war and than they attack us? I would say they are ungrateful bastards. I am not sure howthat is America's fault.

Other than all America all the time.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Uhm, maybe the Soviets should not have invaded the country and blown it to bits in the first place. But its not to cool to blame the Soviets these days since they are kaput.

So the Americans helped the mujahadeem in their war and than they attack us? I would say they are ungrateful bastards. I am not sure howthat is America's fault.

Other than all America all the time.

Afghanistan prior to the socialist govt was a basket case monarchy. People had a far better and a much more free life under the soviet backed govt. What have the US backed govts done for the afghans - fuck all as usual.

 

[mears]

Afghanistan prior to the socialist govt was a basket case monarchy. People had a far better and a much more free life under the soviet backed govt. What have the US backed govts done for the afghans - fuck all as usual.

I would say life in Afghanistan is better now than under the Taliban when starvation was prevelent.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I would say life in Afghanistan is better now than under the Taliban when starvation was prevelent.

Maybe so but the starvation would not have been there if the US hadn't created the conditions for the creation fo the taleban.

 

[nino_savatte]

I would say life in Afghanistan is better now than under the Taliban when starvation was prevelent.

I know you're ignoring me (or so you say) but I would like to see some proof of your assertions that doesn't rely on spurious GDP figures, government propaganda or outright fantasy.

From where I'm standing, Afghanistan doesn't look all that good. Perhaps this is the Afghanistan of the imagination; a sort of symbolic country forged from bits of dreams and the political economy of the sign.

 

[nino_savatte]

Other than all America all the time.

I speak your weight. Insert coin.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I know you're ignoring me (or so you say) but I would like to see some proof of your assertions that doesn't rely on spurious GDP figures, government propaganda or outright fantasy.

From where I'm standing, Afghanistan doesn't look all that good. Perhaps this is the Afghanistan of the imagination; a sort of symbolic country forged from bits of dreams and the political economy of the sign.

Maybe mears has been imbibing some of afghanistans nation product which has caused him to see bullshit as fact.

 

[spring-peeper]

Counter one of my articles on Four Dead Canadians or shut up about Afghanistan.

 

[nino_savatte]

Maybe mears has been imbibing some of afghanistans nation product which has caused him to see bullshit as fact.

Well poppy, and I presume hashish production, has increased since the invasion. Mears should be celebrating this expression of Afghan entrepreneurialism not slamming it.

 

[nino_savatte]

Counter one of my articles on Four Dead Canadians or shut up about Afghanistan.

Who are you addressing this to?

 

[Major Tom]

Uhm, maybe the Soviets should not have invaded the country and blown it to bits in the first place. But its not to cool to blame the Soviets these days since they are kaput.

Um, maybe the US shouldn't have provoked the Soviet Union into invading in the first place by covertly funding Mujahadeen in 1979.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Uhm, maybe the Soviets should not have invaded the country and blown it to bits in the first place. But its not to cool to blame the Soviets these days since they are kaput.

They didn't exactly blow it to bits, they couldn't even hold the main roads safe. What the Sovs had was more akin to strongpoints and forts for mustering and directing ops from.
Mind you, given that the US seems to believe that Kabul is pretty much the be all and end all of Afghanistan, it isn't surprising that you assumed that Afghanistan was "blown to bits", given that the Sovs left Kabul in a mess.

 

[snorbury]

I just wrote a long piece about the attempt to conquer Russia 1941 - 2006, but it was lost in cyberspace, the more poor you. Anyway briefly I mentioned;
i) the Nazi's surprising about turn in opening the eastern (6/41) front at about the same time as the US entered the war (12/41).
ii) the overstretching of the wehrmacht in the east and Russias near complete victory over Germany
iii) the US war of attrition against Russia and their leniency to Germany
iv) the immense size and resources of Russia being it's strength
v) the need to surround Russia in order to launch a successful attack
vi) the need to be the most brutal (adopting nazi reprisal tactics) in order to win a war
vi) the way todays events make it clear that the US military has strong parallels with the nazis
vii) how megalomaniacs, with a taste for world domination, don't let on to what their motives are, (info is only given on a need to know basis) conspiracy theories are rife

Anyway the way forward is through intelligent debate rather than fash blinker ignorance. I hope more people become aware of the attrocities being committed and the propaganda machine that hides it. Big respect to Barking Mad on that front. And sincere thoughts of love out to those bereaved in Afghanistan tonight.

 

[mears]

Maybe so but the starvation would not have been there if the US hadn't created the conditions for the creation fo the taleban.

They did? I always thought Pakistani intelligence was responsible for the Taliban.

And of course the the Soviet invasion started the whole thing, right? (that is if you know the history)

 

[mears]

I just wrote a long piece about the attempt to conquer Russia 1941 - 2006, but it was lost in cyberspace, the more poor you. Anyway briefly I mentioned;
i) the Nazi's surprising about turn in opening the eastern (6/41) front at about the same time as the US entered the war (12/41).
ii) the overstretching of the wehrmacht in the east and Russias near complete victory over Germany
iii) the US war of attrition against Russia and their leniency to Germany
iv) the immense size and resources of Russia being it's strength
v) the need to surround Russia in order to launch a successful attack
vi) the need to be the most brutal (adopting nazi reprisal tactics) in order to win a war
vi) the way todays events make it clear that the US military has strong parallels with the nazis
vii) how megalomaniacs, with a taste for world domination, don't let on to what their motives are, (info is only given on a need to know basis) conspiracy theories are rife

Anyway the way forward is through intelligent debate rather than fash blinker ignorance. I hope more people become aware of the attrocities being committed and the propaganda machine that hides it. Big respect to Barking Mad on that front. And sincere thoughts of love out to those bereaved in Afghanistan tonight.

Boy, when the young and uneducated try to sound smart its scary.

Such a shame it was all lost in cyberspace

 

[spring-peeper]

Answer: no it's monday morning

to me it's reprisal killing

reprisal for what?

 

[spring-peeper]

I just wrote a long piece about the attempt to conquer Russia 1941 - 2006, but it was lost in cyberspace, the more poor you. Anyway briefly I mentioned;
i) the Nazi's surprising about turn in opening the eastern (6/41) front at about the same time as the US entered the war (12/41).
ii) the overstretching of the wehrmacht in the east and Russias near complete victory over Germany
iii) the US war of attrition against Russia and their leniency to Germany
iv) the immense size and resources of Russia being it's strength
v) the need to surround Russia in order to launch a successful attack
vi) the need to be the most brutal (adopting nazi reprisal tactics) in order to win a war
vi) the way todays events make it clear that the US military has strong parallels with the nazis
vii) how megalomaniacs, with a taste for world domination, don't let on to what their motives are, (info is only given on a need to know basis) conspiracy theories are rife

Anyway the way forward is through intelligent debate rather than fash blinker ignorance. I hope more people become aware of the attrocities being committed and the propaganda machine that hides it. Big respect to Barking Mad on that front. And sincere thoughts of love out to those bereaved in Afghanistan tonight.

What do Russia and the Nazis have to do with the current Nato missions in Afghanistan?

What does Barking Mad have to do with this? I can't seem to find any posts on here from that poster.

 

[snorbury]

reprisal for what?

when the nazis lost men to resiatance fighters, it was normal to take reprisals. I suggest this recent attocitiy in Afghanistan could be for the killing of a "US National" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4992462.stm, it's hard to say exactly

Boy, when the young and uneducated try to sound smart its scary.

Such a shame it was all lost in cyberspace

so what are you mears?
Why did the US concentrate almost all it's efforts on the war in the Pacific until it was obvious the Russians had forced a turnaround on the Volga?
Why did lend lease end and the cold war to all intents start two days after the Japanese capitulation

What do Russia and the Nazis have to do with the current Nato missions in Afghanistan?

What does Barking Mad have to do with this? I can't seem to find any posts on here from that poster.

Spring Pepper, what I am trying to do is put this foul situation into a historical and global perspective, the NATO's are not in Afghanistan because of the poppies, thy're not in Afghanistan looking for the perpetrators of that most evil of deeds 9/11; No, 1 say they're in Afghanistan, Iraq, Europe, Japan and probably Iran next in an attempt to surround Russia.
As for barking mad, what better news service could us on U75 ask for
except they concentrate on event in Iraq, is there a good blogger on Afghanistan, anyone????

 

[nino_savatte]

Boy, when the young and uneducated try to sound smart its scary.

Such a shame it was all lost in cyberspace

Whereas, in your case, the knowledgeably ignorant is trying convince the rest of us that he is familiar with the world outside his country's borders but only ends up making himself look like the pillock he truly is.

I speak your weight. Insert coin.

 

[Major Tom]

They did? I always thought Pakistani intelligence was responsible for the Taliban.

And of course the the Soviet invasion started the whole thing, right? (that is if you know the history)

er, no and, er, no.


He reallly doesn't mind showing his utter ignorance does he?

 

[nino_savatte]

er, no and, er, no.


He reallly doesn't mind showing his utter ignorance does he?

He's so expert at it too.

 

[spring-peeper]

As for barking mad, what better news service could us on U75 ask for except they concentrate on event in Iraq, is there a good blogger on Afghanistan, anyone????

And what exactly would be in this blog? In the "4 dead Canadians" thread I know that I been linking information on the ISAF, UN news alerts, and stuff like that but I'm only doing it from a Canadian point-of-view.

btw, Google is your friend. Also, most news sites have an Afghan section. The bbc and cbc have links to their spreviously aired stories.

 

[snorbury]

And what exactly would be in this blog? In the "4 dead Canadians" thread I know that I been linking information on the ISAF, UN news alerts, and stuff like that but I'm only doing it from a Canadian point-of-view.

btw, Google is your friend. Also, most news sites have an Afghan section. The bbc and cbc have links to their spreviously aired stories.

Thanks SP it seems we don't get all the details on the govt channels though. At first the bbc reported 60 civilians killed, now they say dozens, suppose they mean 5 dozen