butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Socialist cover up.
Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations
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bimble
floofy
Yeah, nothing to see here. Nothing happened at all really, just a few pickpockets and the occasional uppity bum got pinched as an afterthought, and all those hundreds of women who made a fuss and went to file complaints are just racist bastards. Whatever the German police reports say, having traced the thefts, is the end of the story, no further questions. And anyone who wants to understand how come hundreds of women were sexually assaulted all at once in a public square is a racist bastard etc, yep, got it. . .
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yet...yet...you went quiet all of a sudden? Don't you care?Yeah, nothing to see here. Nothing happened at all really, just a few pickpockets and the occasional uppity bum got pinched as an afterthought, and all those hundreds of women who made a fuss and went to file complaints are just racist bastards. Whatever the German police reports say, having traced the thefts, is the end of the story, no further questions. And anyone who wants to understand how come hundreds of women were sexually assaulted all at once in a public square is a racist bastard etc, yep, got it. . .
bimble
floofy
I do care. I had to go away from this thread (about a month ago i think) because I cared so much that it was making me wake up at 3am feeling very angry. And I don't want to start doing that again. Basically I think the subject underlying the sexual side of the Koln NYE story requires a degree of subtlety and honestly and maybe possibly a few more women posters none of which are apparently here .
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yeah, your post above looks like that.
bimble
floofy
You have no answers for this and wish it would go away. Me too, I wish it would go away and hope we never hear of similar events ever again.
Your attempt to make it go away is to say that it's all the fault of the "anti-leftists"? Please explain what you think happened.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Quoted.
I presume you mean you hope similar events don't occur again. Not quite the same thing.
I wouldn't bother arguing with this guy. If you ignore him he'll go back to banging on about how much of a bastard Assad is and how it would be much better if Syria turned into a headchoppers' paradise like Libya.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I quoted your lie. Lest it go away.
bimble
floofy
Ah, ok.
Nope, still confused. .
Which bit was me lying?
1) I lied when i said I care about this and that I hope mass mob sexual assault never happens again,
or
2) I lied when i said you are refusing to even be interested in the causes of the hundreds of mass sexual assaults that happened here
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
bimble
floofy
Maybe you're even drunker than me. Poor show though.
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
I'm still here and reading.
Can't be bothered to post on it cos of many shouty angry and dismissive men.
What I will say is:
What a fucking *shock* that no men have been arrested and protected for rape, again.
Shocking I tell ya.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Yeah, nothing to see here. Nothing happened at all really, just a few pickpockets and the occasional uppity bum got pinched as an afterthought, and all those hundreds of women who made a fuss and went to file complaints are just racist bastards. Whatever the German police reports say, having traced the thefts, is the end of the story, no further questions. And anyone who wants to understand how come hundreds of women were sexually assaulted all at once in a public square is a racist bastard etc, yep, got it. . .
Whose point of view are you claiming to represent with those words?
bimble
floofy
Nobody's. I apologise for last night, was not exactly sober.
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
Cologne prosecutor Ulrich Bremer said 73 suspects have been identified so far — most of them from North Africa. A total of 1,075 criminal complaints have been filed, including 467 alleging crimes of a sexual nature ranging from insults to rape.
"The overwhelming majority of persons fall into the general category of refugees," Bremer told The Associated Press, saying recent reports describing only three of the suspects as refugees were "total nonsense."
Prosecutor: Most Cologne New Year's suspects are refugees
"The overwhelming majority of persons fall into the general category of refugees," Bremer told The Associated Press, saying recent reports describing only three of the suspects as refugees were "total nonsense."
Prosecutor: Most Cologne New Year's suspects are refugees
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I think the headline there is a bit misleading. Only a couple of Syrian or Iraqi refugees sure, but a large number of the others appear to have been from Algeria and Morocco, and to have been applicants for asylum or some similar status.
Here's what I think is fairly clear from the accounts we've seen so far:
- these attacks were committed largely by members of street crime gangs that have appeared in many EU capitals over the last decade or so
- those gangs are networked with people smuggling (see NGO and Europol links earlier in the thread) accounting for their composition
- a number of factors (detailed in the NGO links) are driving such migration and causing the relevant criminal networks to grow larger
- the specific element of sexual assault has been seen before, and may mirror patterns seen elsewhere, but is new in this context and on this scale
bimble
floofy
I want to know what happened to that american who was counted as one of the attackers, seems he's disappeared from the list now. ("a full list of nationalities of those accused stands at 25 Algerians, 21 Moroccans, three Tunisians, three Germans, two Syrians and an Iraqi" )
And the total number of people in custody for sexual assault remains.. 1.
The Facts Behind Cologne Sex Attacks Make Awkward Reading For Refugee-Bashers
And the total number of people in custody for sexual assault remains.. 1.
The Facts Behind Cologne Sex Attacks Make Awkward Reading For Refugee-Bashers
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
The German cops clearly have a lot of trouble dealing with these gangs. They're practiced street criminals, they're often a violent handful when arrested, the low property value of the evidence when available and the minor status of many of the criminals makes it hard to secure a significant penalty and it's proving extremely difficult to deport them because; well why would Algeria or Morocco want a bunch of criminals back?
I get the impression that the German cops generally regard these guys as 'too much ****ing trouble' to deal with most of the time, especially as most of what they do is 'petty' low property value crime and perhaps (I'm speculating) this carried over into the cops attitudes on the night. It probably doesn't help that, as the (much misrepresented) discussions of Oktoberfest earlier in the thread suggest, a certain amount of drunken sexual assault appears to be tolerated at German public events.
I get the impression that the German cops generally regard these guys as 'too much ****ing trouble' to deal with most of the time, especially as most of what they do is 'petty' low property value crime and perhaps (I'm speculating) this carried over into the cops attitudes on the night. It probably doesn't help that, as the (much misrepresented) discussions of Oktoberfest earlier in the thread suggest, a certain amount of drunken sexual assault appears to be tolerated at German public events.
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Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Purely out of academic interest, who are you apologising to, for trying to imply that they thought all that horrible stuff?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's strange reporting by the HP and the Independent. They lead with the 'Three Out of 58' thing but both acknowledge that Bremer feels misquoted and that actually most of them could be considered refugees but for the gerrymandering of the status of arrivals from Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia.
bimble
floofy
It was a general all-purpose one size fits all apology, for drunkenly trying to start a fight with strawmen / the internet in general, ok?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
This is interesting. Some people have set up a map-based site to specifically counter made-up-shit aimed at generating hate against refugees with properly sourced facts.
'Hoaxmap' busts rumors about refugees in Germany | Germany | DW.COM | 11.02.2016
'Hoaxmap' busts rumors about refugees in Germany | Germany | DW.COM | 11.02.2016
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's neither here nor there in the grand scheme of who the German right are getting pissed off with. As far as they're concerned refugees are refugees. Syrians and Iraqis just happen to form the majority of those currently seeking safe haven.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
You'll forgive me if I don't feel inclined to defer to the tender feelings of the German right. Especially now that AfD (German UKIP) seem to be spiralling towards browner shores. . .
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
But it's the reality in the context of what by some is considered the problem. It doesn't matter where the perpetrators are from if it's not Germany. Bremer himself has said he was misrepresented and that all of them could be considered refugees.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Fair enough. "Could be considered" is a bit of a weasel phrase though - I don't mean that you're a weasel, rather that this Bremer guy is. Should people like that be deferred to when defining the problem?
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