Hundreds of women assaulted in German NYE celebrations

[Casually Red]

Found mesel agreeing with the opinions in you link until we got to this,

"I am often told that I am too westernized or too liberal by people I know, and they are not wrong or inaccurate. My values are for the most part western values. However, there are two middle-eastern traits in me that I can never give up: The first is my stupid insistince on always paying for the bill when I am with a girl I am dating, and the second is my protectiveness of women. I have no tolerance for those who assault women sexually in any way, and that almost got me kicked out of my school in Boston when I broke the leg of one of my roommates who raped a friend of mine. The incident only resulted in him getting a broken leg because people stoped me before I killed him. And I had the full intention of killing him. Rapists do not deserve to live. And that’s how I feel towards every single one of those pieces of shit that attacked women on the streets of cairo the other day.

People can debate solutions based on dialogue, education, or whatever and that’s their right. My solution is far simpler: Any egyptian man whose mother raised him right should beat the living crap of any man he sees on the street that assaults or harasses a female. Think of them as your sisters, and act accordingly. The Police isn’t interested in protecting the women, and that’s fine, but that means that we should take this job as our own. Those who insist on acting like animals will be treated as such, and deserve no sympathy or mercy from us. I assure you, if we did this, if we undertook this as part of our national duty, there will no longer be a problem on our streets"

It then felt like the majority of the piece was no more than an opening for his 'hard man attitude' and a show of bravado and 'white Knightery'
Which then, sadly eclipsed, the truly horrifying events he had described up until then.

I don't agree. Plainly this is a massive problem that needs addressed. And the cops haven't been addressing it . He's suggesting a solution that would probably work. Right now there's very little downside for a sexual harasser .
And in a society were shame and honour , strength and weakness are pretty big issues getting the crap knocked out of you for sexually molesting women will both shame and dishonour you . As well as leaving you looking weak against the powerful .
While there's no end to all the sociological histrionics and suggested solutions that might take generations to take fruition its a simple fact women need a solution right now, as in today . His strikes me as a good one.

 

[coley]

I remember as a student being deeply shocked by a Spanish student who said without irony that he would kill someone who attacked his sister. (It was a long time ago, I'm sure attitudes have changed.)

In both occasions the police failed, but the answer isn't vigilante/family revenge, as satisfying as it may appear.
The police failed in Cologne, the chief of police was sacked if IiRC? The police chief and all subordinates responsible for policing that night should have been sacked.....unless it could be shown they were unable to police effectively because of budget cuts?
Who was responsible for the news being suppressed? Lots of questions which stand unanswered.
As for the LvR argument? Typical strawman, as I think (ViolentPanda?) argued, up thread, that the elected authorities of whatever stripe were responsible, not some irrelevant leftie conspiracy.
Though, replace " leftie conspiracy" with out of touch, elitist and largely unelected policy makers, then people would be closer to the mark.

 

[Casually Red]

I remember as a student being deeply shocked by a Spanish student who said without irony that he would kill someone who attacked his sister. (It was a long time ago, I'm sure attitudes have changed.)

For as long as I can remember its been a common thing that that rapists and abusers in west Belfast and a few other places speedily handed themselves in to the cops rather than face other forms of retribution . People can and do react extremely negatively to this sort of stuff. And they don't have to have a lefty approved standard of previous " right onness" for their anger to be genuine .

 

[treelover]

bluescreen The Green Mayor who demanded women dress appropiately, etc, hasn't resigned yet.

 

[Casually Red]

In both occasions the police failed, but the answer isn't vigilante/family revenge, as satisfying as it may appear.
The police failed in Cologne, the chief of police was sacked if IiRC? The police chief and all subordinates responsible for policing that night should have been sacked.....unless it could be shown they were unable to police effectively because of budget cuts?
Who was responsible for the news being suppressed? Lots of questions which stand unanswered.
As for the LvR argument? Typical strawman, as I think (ViolentPanda?) argued, up thread, that the elected authorities of whatever stripe were responsible, not some irrelevant leftie conspiracy.
Though, replace " leftie conspiracy" with out of touch, elitist and largely unelected policy makers, then people would be closer to the mark.

I think it was " liberal and leftie " conspiracy . Which strikes me as accurate enough . At the heart of the cover up has been the issue of political correctness . And political reputations .

 

[coley]

I don't agree. Plainly this is a massive problem that needs addressed. And the cops haven't been addressing it . He's suggesting a solution that would probably work. Right now there's very little downside for a sexual harasser .
And in a society were shame and honour , strength and weakness are pretty big issues getting the crap knocked out of you for sexually molesting women will both shame and dishonour you . As well as leaving you looking weak against the powerful .
While there's no end to all the sociological histrionics and suggested solutions that might take generations to take fruition its a simple fact women need a solution right now, as in today . His strikes me as a good one.

You are joking? He broke the leg of someone and was trying to kill them for "raping his friend" this in America? Now I'm no admirer of things USA but but that part of his story ( very short on details apart from his macho response) sent alarm bells ringing.

 

[Casually Red]

bluescreen The Green Mayor who demanded women dress appropiately, etc, hasn't resigned yet.

Nor apologised . She's also stood by her comments .

 

[Casually Red]

You are joking? He broke the leg of someone and was trying to kill them for "raping his friend" this in America? Now I'm no admirer of things USA but but that part of his story ( very short on details apart from his macho response) sent alarm bells ringing.

Well if the rapist hadn't been arrested then it's hardly surprising another route was taken . A father, husband or brother might well have shot the bastard .

On the other hand it's the Internet and the bloke could be a stark raving lunatic, we have no way of knowing. But these types of assaults often trigger a great deal of anger . The politically corrector whatever have no monopoly on indignation when it comes to this issue, despite thinking only they are entitled to it .

 

[coley]

For as long as I can remember its been a common thing that that rapists and abusers in west Belfast and a few other places speedily handed themselves in to the cops rather than face other forms of retribution . People can and do react extremely negatively to this sort of stuff. And they don't have to have a lefty approved standard of previous " right onness" for their anger to be genuine .

Rapists or abusers or alleged "rapists and abusers" who could be totally innocent but once they see the witch hunt developing know their only safety is in police custody?
Seen it happen first hand a couple of times, and in a place not half as volatile as West Belfast.
Seen it happen a good few years back when people asked for police protection in your neck of the woods due to being dobbed in as 'informers' by people who had a gripe with them.

 

[camouflage]

Wondered when there'd be a reaction like this...

Hindu and Sikh leaders across the country have now warned that Britain faces high possibilities of mass sexual assaults against women similar to the Cologne attacks, because of the failing authorities and their obsession to be 'politically correct'.

https://www.asian-voice.com/News/UK...cal-correctness-putting-non-Muslim-women-at-r

 

[Casually Red]

Rapists or abusers or alleged "rapists and abusers" who could be totally innocent but once they see the witch hunt developing know their only safety is in police custody?
Seen it happen first hand a couple of times, and in a place not half as volatile as West Belfast.
Seen it happen a good few years back when people asked for police protection in your neck of the woods due to being dobbed in as 'informers' by people who had a gripe with them.

Regardless of their innocence or guilt it's an issue that can evoke very raw emotions and real violence from a lot of people . That's the point I'm making .

 

[coley]

Regardless of their innocence or guilt it's an issue that can evoke very raw emotions and real violence from a lot of people . That's the point I'm making .

Aye, and that's why we have police, they obviously failed In Cologne and pretty serious questions need to be asked, what happens in other countries is largely outwith our power to control.
But, vigilantism ( in any context, or political persuasion) is not the answer, not here or the ME, and if your suggesting, even for a second we should allow people to take the law into their own hands than, AFAIAC, you have lost a credibility in this argument.

 

[8den]

Bullshit.

No really, Casually Red is just that irresistible to German Homosexuals.

 

[LiamO]

I would just like to put on record that I have indeed heard the Berlin/park/rampaging gangs of gay men story CR outlined above - that people are calling him a liar on - many times. Both from him and from the german comrade (a 40-yr veteran of the german anarcho-lefty scene) who was with him. And from a whole group of Germans visiting our village. They were then and are now, to the best of my knowledge, deffo pissed off by posh gay men 'gentrifying' their area (Kruetzberg). This is most definitely not on a sexual-orienation basis but on a Class one. our german comrades would have a long and consistent track recors of left-wing political activism over many decades.

The germans found the whole park incident - and CR's somewhat exagerated disquiet - ultimately quite amusing. So did I. Hence chasing him around the pub one night with my cock out when the germans were visiting. Actually I didn't chase him. Just approached him, standing up, while he was seated. I tapped him on the shoulder and he turned to find my cock in his face. The germans (male and female with decades of activism behind each of them) were in fits of laughter at this stage.

Shame none of them can be arsed to post here. They could fill the unfortunate souls who appear to have convinced themselves that the positions they have projected onto CR are his. They are (mostly) not.

I have my own issues with him currently on another thread. In time I will resurrect that thread and attempt to have him withdraw statements he has made on it. I will not need to label him a Strasserite, a mysogynist, a racist, a fascist or a homophobe to do so.

 

[LiamO]

8den.

I have always considered you a complete and absolute little dick. Your behaviour the last few weeks on here - where you snipe and cat-call from the sidelines wherever you can find an audience/mob you can join is in itself alarming. That you choose, where you misread the situation and occasionally jump in too soon and find yourself in a 'mob' of one (like on the Popsatrs and underage girls thread), to just slither off with your tails between your legs is just... sad really.

You seem like a very sad, angry and intensely bitter little man. longing for love but full of hate. I hope life brings you some peace and joy soon. Or at least a shag. or something.

 

[LiamO]

You're a fuckin clown, & an apologist for a homophobic cunt.

Ah the 'apologist' refrain ... the sad lament of an empty vessel.

 

[Casually Red]

I would just like to put on record that I have indeed heard the Berlin/park/rampaging gangs of gay men story CR outlined above - that people are calling him a liar on - many times. Both from him and from the german comrade (a 40-yr veteran of the german anarcho-lefty scene) who was with him. And from a whole group of Germans visiting our village. They were then and are now, to the best of my knowledge, deffo pissed off by posh gay men 'gentrifying' their area (Kruetzberg). This is most definitely not on a sexual-orienation basis but on a Class one. our german comrades would have a long and consistent track recors of left-wing political activism over many decades.

The germans found the whole park incident - and CR's somewhat exagerated disquiet - ultimately quite amusing. So did I. Hence chasing him around the pub one night with my cock out when the germans were visiting. Actually I didn't chase him. Just approached him, standing up, while he was seated. I tapped him on the shoulder and he turned to find my cock in his face. The germans (male and female with decades of activism behind each of them) were in fits of laughter at this stage.

Shame none of them can be arsed to post here. They could fill the unfortunate souls who appear to have convinced themselves that the positions they have projected onto CR are his. They are (mostly) not.

I have my own issues with him currently on another thread. In time I will resurrect that thread and attempt to have him withdraw statements he has made on it. I will not need to label him a Strasserite, a mysogynist or a homophobe to do so.

And thence the immortal words " make the baaad maaaan go awaaaay " we're born.

As regards the other business you are indeed correct that I exaggerated somewhat as regards malfeasance by the shinners on that occasion . It's because i really can't stand them. And a result of building a picture in my mind when i heard the media describe aplay as a " musical "and derisory comments id heard people make about that description . The mental picture i had of it, which appealed to my prejudices, turned out not to be the correct one . I was wrong about it but i wasnt deliberately being dishonest . I just didnt bother checking it out properly . As its annoyed you andim in the wrong on this occasion I'm happy to both apologise and withdrawmy criticisms .

 

[Casually Red]

No really, Casually Red is just that irresistible to German Homosexuals.

Unlikely to be true . It's simply the case that some gay men can behave as inappropriately and aggressively as some heterosexual men. And I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and experienced a bit of that . And it genuinely wasn't apleasant experience .

I did however end up spending the tail end of my new years celebrations in a Berlin gay bar. Which was absolutely full of them. Oddly enough .

 

[xenon]

Aye, and that's why we have police, they obviously failed In Cologne and pretty serious questions need to be asked, what happens in other countries is largely outwith our power to control.
But, vigilantism ( in any context, or political persuasion) is not the answer, not here or the ME, and if your suggesting, even for a second we should allow people to take the law into their own hands than, AFAIAC, you have lost a credibility in this argument.

This is bollocks though. Appealing to authority. Vigilantism is a symptom not the cause.

For clarity I'm talking about the wider point not the specifics of this thread. Certainly not as a defence of the scum who rampaged through a train station attacking children.

 

[xenon]

Fuck this. Posting and editing on the phone is bollocks.

 

[xenon]

In short fuck the moral relativist's. Stupid arse career politician comments comparing what happened to an average night out in Birmingham. Not what they meant? Try being a bit clearer. Try not playing around.

 

[xenon]

And I agree with others comments there is no ceiling the borders. Unless you want to make people die in the hinterlands. Those seeking refuge, asylum, found to have committed serious crimes, rape serious violence. Send them back to hell. The rest deserve compassion and help. Simplistic yes probably. But there you go.

 

[Casually Red]

In short fuck the moral relativist's. Stupid arse career politician comments comparing what happened to an average night out in Birmingham. Not what they meant? Try being a bit clearer. Try not playing around.

In my view what happened inCologne and Hamburg and those other cities was itself a form of fascism, or has similarities to the tactics of fascism. This was large scale and organised terror tactics to advance a form of supremacy, male domination , against a section of society these punters have a serious issue with, namely women in general. It strikes me as similar to the terror tactics of the brown shirts when they embarked on their " tavern strategy " . To control the streets by terror , to control the spaces were ordinary people socialised and stamp their agenda there . To make it a reality of people's everyday life whether they were in power or not . By making the way they think society should be ordered a reality by the application of organised physical force and terrorin public spaces .
That's very similar to what these bums have done in an organised and co orientated fashion right across Germany . They want to enforce their normality , where men reign supreme and women definitely aren't their equal , onto the society they now reside in . By terrorising women en masse and making that a reality of women's ...everyones..existence . It's about thugs controlling the streets and enforcing their form of supremacism and bigotry against women . Ordering society in the manner they think it should be ordered .
They have a distinctly physical and organised agenda that can only conceivably be brought to heel with a physical response . Talking to them is highly unlikely to deter it .

 

[frogwoman]

This liberal rubbish will directly affect the psychological balance of the little guinea pig kids caught up in this ideological gay campaign . A child who finds homosexual behaviour plain "icky" like the vast majority of normal people will be trapped in a homosexual hell , 7 days a week , 24 hours a day untill its old enough to leave or just run away.

Gay activists try to 'fix' poll - Page 20

 

[LiamO]

As regards the other business you are indeed correct that I exaggerated somewhat as regards malfeasance by the shinners on that occasion . It's because i really can't stand them. And a result of building a picture in my mind when i heard the media describe aplay as a " musical "and derisory comments id heard people make about that description . The mental picture i had of it, which appealed to my prejudices, turned out not to be the correct one . I was wrong about it but i wasnt deliberately being dishonest . I just didnt bother checking it out properly . As its annoyed you andim in the wrong on this occasion I'm happy to both apologise and withdrawmy criticisms .

Which just about sums up the mindset of those who have posted some of the 'Strasserite', 'fascist', 'racist' etc nonsense on this and other threads.

I even saw somebody having a wobbly over your use of the term 'sex people' of late and remaining unchallenged/uncorrected. I was incredulous that nobody bothered their arse to point out this was actually an Alan Partridge reference. But then they wouldn't, would they? Because it somewhat contradicts their narrative.

Have a word with yerselves FFS.

Having said that CR, perhaps you might moderate your own language at times. You do tend to lead with your chin. The last time I defended you on here led to people I thought had more sense doing the ultimate... 'un-friending' me on facebook. Oh, the hurt, the pain.

 

[BigTom]

Sexual Jihad eh? This is why stuff like Broad St, India, Oktoberfest, Gamergate etc have relevance - because it centers this as a problem with patriarchy, not immigration, and that problem already has many tactics deployed against it with some degree of success, that can be brought to bear here, without fucking over huge numbers of refugees and migrants who are/would be abhorred by what happened in cologne etc.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So that's a definite Jewish beef then . You had one, she didn't on the same thread . I asked was that was going on and as a result of that I became a follower of the Third reich . And then got thoroughly Internet stalked for the next 2 fucking years . 2 years were virtually on a daily basis every single time someone made a post having ago at me or disagreeing with me on any subject , when looked at the end there was a liked by FW tag appended to it . Who was announcing very now and then she had me on ignore .

Culminating in " fashgate " . Were for 4 entire days ..4 whole fucking days...a thread about mass gang rapes In Europe has been about me instead . Were the internet has been trawled and were every last one of the anti fascist , anti right comments, anti right opinions , anti right outbursts and anti right diatribes ive made..many thousands of them by this point..were completely ignored in order to support a completely warped and ridiculous agenda and obsession . If that's not obsessive, warped and deeply unhealthy behaviour I honestly don't know what is . And it's more than a bit unacceptable .

Amazing how it's always wicked other people misinterpreting or misrepresenting you, isn't it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

No I'd mixed up her posts and opinions with those of VP , conflated the 2 sets of very similar opinions and stances, on the same thread.

No, you didn't.
You know how I know that? Because frogwoman doesn't agree with my opinions about Russia.
The above is an example of your propensity to re-shape the facts to fit your story. It's shit.

Late at night, easy enough done. And I apologised to her for how id clumsily worded it the very next day . I was genuinely embarassed id offended her and iirc pointed out id often liked her posts and enjoyed reading them .To absoloutely no avail obviously . Because for the next 2 years I was consistently stalked and badgered , culminating in this glorious 4 day extravaganza .

Personally though I'm relieved that when I've been thoroughly, palatically pissed in your company I haven't reverted to type , started goose stepping, donned a white hood and started waving a noose about . That would have been a tad embarrassing . Had my inner narzi slipped the chains while I was under the influence . Manage to keep it successfully hidden from that other chap I've been getting drunk with for the past 16 years or so . You Know him, that chap with a long track record of knocking fascists clean the fuck out . My mate . And all my neighbours that he knows as well .

Not easy, I can tell you. This secret nazi business .

"I can't be a fascist 'cos my bezzer is an anti-fascist". Fair enough.
Doesn't stop you being a gobshite who's voiced opinions - supposedly in jest or while pissed - (what's that age-old saying? "in vino veritas) that have variously been verging on homophobic and anti-Semitic.
Is your bezzer also a gay Jew?

 

[Pickman's model]

No really, Casually Red is just that irresistible to German Homosexuals.

not an issue you're likely to face.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Wondered when there'd be a reaction like this...



https://www.asian-voice.com/News/UK...cal-correctness-putting-non-Muslim-women-at-r

The policy of state multiculturalism adopted over the last 20 or so years makes that kind of reaction pretty much guaranteed. If the policy is to "stand off" and effectively let self-styled community leaders do their thing to keep the community integrated, then those in political power at the top of the food chain lose any material contact with those communities, and generally end up walking on egg-shells around them for fear of giving offence.
Seems to me that back in the dark old days of the Eighties we had the right idea - treat each other as equals who were all in the shit together. All this identity politics-inspired "separate but equal" stuff has meant net gains for a few community leaders and the Home Office, but fuck-all politically for most working class BaME folk.