HS2 high-speed London-Birmingham route rail project - discussion
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reformed and probably more pleasant to walk past but still...
Crispy
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Birmingham Curzon Street Station (architect : Grimshaw)
That's a proper intercity train station all right (the first new one in the UK for over 100 years!)
Leaflet (with annoying page spread breaks): https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/...2_Curzon+Street_A5+Brochure_V1-compressed.pdf
That's a proper intercity train station all right (the first new one in the UK for over 100 years!)
Leaflet (with annoying page spread breaks): https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/...2_Curzon+Street_A5+Brochure_V1-compressed.pdf
Crispy
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They had the opportunity to close New St. and replace it with Grand Central station, which would have been integrated with Moor Street and occupy roughly the same site as the HS2 proposal:
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downl..._g_hearing_statement_cpre_warwickshirepdf.pdf
That opportunity has now been lost, so we are left with this mishmash of stations. Having to walk from Curzon St. to New Street for most local connections is particularly
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downl..._g_hearing_statement_cpre_warwickshirepdf.pdf
That opportunity has now been lost, so we are left with this mishmash of stations. Having to walk from Curzon St. to New Street for most local connections is particularly
cybershot
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They had the opportunity to close New St. and replace it with Grand Central station, which would have been integrated with Moor Street and occupy roughly the same site as the HS2 proposal:
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downl..._g_hearing_statement_cpre_warwickshirepdf.pdf
That opportunity has now been lost, so we are left with this mishmash of stations. Having to walk from Curzon St. to New Street for most local connections is particularly
Hmmm.
Yes. Local services being diverted from new street to this new station could be a pain. My local line goes past where the new station will be so as well as the redeveloped Birmingham international (that is being redeveloped right? Not yet another new station there too) will probably be a prime candidate for a diversion. Slightly annoying as most of my connections out will probably stick to departing from new st. What a PITA.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
They had the opportunity to close New St. and replace it with Grand Central station, which would have been integrated with Moor Street and occupy roughly the same site as the HS2 proposal:
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downl..._g_hearing_statement_cpre_warwickshirepdf.pdf
That opportunity has now been lost, so we are left with this mishmash of stations. Having to walk from Curzon St. to New Street for most local connections is particularly
Aren’t they extending the tram so you can get a link that way instead of walking though? That’s what I’d heard at any rate. Still seems a bit daft though.
We need housing, not another posh station filled with shops most people can’t afford.
cybershot
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Probably still quicker to walk that stand around waiting for a tram.
Crispy
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Only HS2 trains will go to the new station. At international, the new station will be on the other side of NEC and linked to the old station and the airport by a people mover
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The thing that's boiling my piss about this new station is various local press sites and blogs describing it as "a fantastic new public space for Birmingham", a phrase presumably taken directly from a press release.
It will be nothing of the sort. This things aren't public spaces anymore, they're privately owned, on land that used to be public and has been stolen from us
It will be nothing of the sort. This things aren't public spaces anymore, they're privately owned, on land that used to be public and has been stolen from us
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
And yes, while the work done to New St has made it a rather fantastic station now, they really did miss a trick by not going big and building one giant new interchange. Having to catch a tram or walk to pickup local services is bonkers and only adds fuel to the "it's just for the rich people" argument. The only reason to go there will be if you can afford the inevitable eye watering prices that a trip to London at high speed will cost you.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yeah. I’m gonna file that one under “bollocks”
cybershot
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Jesus Christ!
Crispy
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Yeah, but there's not much they could reasonably do. Non-stopping trains to Manchester have to be able to rocket through the station at 300km/h so no kinking the tracks over for a convenient interchange. Also the station + high-speed junctions at either end is ~1.5km. You can't just put these things where you want.
Take a look at International on google maps, and then see how hard it'd be to fit arrow-straight tracks and one of these in next to it:
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Working at the NEC is going to be a fucking nightmare when they're building that, I just know it
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
That’s disgraceful.
This is whole project has got alarm bells ringing to me. Interesting article here Is the HS2 rail project in trouble? regarding the rising costs. It was always going to be a difficult project to deliver before Cameron decided half of it had to be tunneled as to not spoil the view of the lovely estates in the home counties.
We've been here before with Crossrail and the conversation is something like this:
Construction Industry: It's going to cost x and will take x amount of time
Government: Not good enough. deliver it for y and you've only got y amount of months
Industry: OK, we'll try. (some time later) Its going to cost x and take x amount of time after all
Government: Terrible! How on earth did this happen?
If I was a gambling man I'd bet that the money will pretty much all be used up on the 1st London to Birmingham phase and as a result the 2nd phase linking Birmingham to the North will be shelved for a very long time. The North gets shafted yet again.
Another factor in this is in a post Brexit world who on earth is going to build all this? We're shit at tunneling and that's before we even get to the skilled labour.
We've been here before with Crossrail and the conversation is something like this:
Construction Industry: It's going to cost x and will take x amount of time
Government: Not good enough. deliver it for y and you've only got y amount of months
Industry: OK, we'll try. (some time later) Its going to cost x and take x amount of time after all
Government: Terrible! How on earth did this happen?
If I was a gambling man I'd bet that the money will pretty much all be used up on the 1st London to Birmingham phase and as a result the 2nd phase linking Birmingham to the North will be shelved for a very long time. The North gets shafted yet again.
Another factor in this is in a post Brexit world who on earth is going to build all this? We're shit at tunneling and that's before we even get to the skilled labour.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Dispatches on C4 tonight, will suggest that the government could be looking to abandon the whole thing...
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I’m starting to think it won’t happen now.
This country is fucking shit.
This country is fucking shit.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It should count itself lucky it's getting a city centre HS2 station. Nowhere else will.
cybershot
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In which case, half the time ‘saved’ on a hs2 train is probably lost by having to travel to an out of city location to get on it in the first place. How typically British.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Why do we want it built? It'll be as much use as tits on a fish to most of the population.
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