HS2 high-speed London-Birmingham route rail project - discussion
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ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Construction headquarters are going to Birmingham http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/21/hs2-construction-hq-birmingham-high-speed-rail
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Should have stuck it in the Chilterns, knocked down some old colonel's manor house for it...
Bobzillard
New Member
The “spine and spur” route proposed by “High Speed UK” is well researched and capable of providing much wider benefits than HS2 having connections to many more cities and reductions in times for a wider range of journeys -- all at lower cost than HS2 (and without crossing the Chilterns).
See http://www.highspeeduk.co.uk/
Is it too late now for these proposals to be taken seriously by this government or the next?
See http://www.highspeeduk.co.uk/
Is it too late now for these proposals to be taken seriously by this government or the next?
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Not sure why that route bothers with a bypass of Leeds and Sheffield, why not just have the route through those cities? That seems like unnecessary duplication. Locally, Farnley viaduct in Leeds was also closed because the curves were too tight for the new Mk4 stock in 1990, so I can't see how it would be suitable for a high speed route!
Journey times to Manchester would probably be longer with this network, but then fuck them anyway because they're Manchester.
Journey times to Manchester would probably be longer with this network, but then fuck them anyway because they're Manchester.
If they run TGV-style trains, they might make it.
But this somehow reinforces my first impression of the highspeeduk.co.uk proposal - that it's trainspottery whatiffery, straight off the more anorakky corners of the internetty.
Had the website been better designed, I'd have suspected it of being an anti-HS2 spoiler.
I was moved to check that the domain name is registered from an address, probably residential, in Otley, West Yorkshire.
youngian
Well-Known Member
I assume this is a national survey and not Chiltern villagers to make this a valid poll. And with all due respect to the British public what the fuck do they know to have a considered final view on this project? Have they been studying Roy Cropper's railway magazines to bone up on the issues before being surveyed?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The British public has been sold on high speed line to the north only. Most people would rather spend £50billion on something else. You hardly ever hear the argument that a new line is needed, the speed of which is irrelevant.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
The people living in those areas have paid good money for those views. They're not going to stand for any Tom, Dick or Harry getting to see their rolling hills for the price of a train ticket. Best keep the oiks hidden out of sight below the ground.
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Zimri
Well-Known Member
I agree you don't hear people arguing for new lines, but what you do hear is arguments for more capacity, which HS2 will provide.
There have been a few presentations from those involved in HS2 i've been at and it's interesting to hear them say that if it all came around again they'd never mention speed as one of the main reasons for building the line, it would be the capacity increase.
davesgcr
Reading books
As someone who has spent too long on timetabling , operations and trying to get it right - trust me -it is all about capacity.
Took 3 years to get the West Coast timetable "sorted" as a compromise for 2004 - anyone who can squeeze more in , above todays timetable , gets a golden medal.
Took 3 years to get the West Coast timetable "sorted" as a compromise for 2004 - anyone who can squeeze more in , above todays timetable , gets a golden medal.
The proposed build time for Euston has been extended by 7 years; I think it's a real mistake not to have some kind of direct link with HS1 at St Pancras
Revised HS2 plans for Euston extend build time by seven years
Revised HS2 plans for Euston extend build time by seven years
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I think the only thing that explains that decision is that there is some kind of device hidden in one of the myriad basements of the British Library, that the lizards who rule us use to determine who is worth eating and so make everyone walk or tube past. I know there is one of those in Crewe, but there must be one in the South as well.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
how the fuck does it take 16 year to build a new station?
China's built 9,900 miles of new high speed rail lines including stations in the last 11 years.
We really need to pull our fucking fingers out and get some graft done, far too much time pontificating in this country IMO.
China's built 9,900 miles of new high speed rail lines including stations in the last 11 years.
We really need to pull our fucking fingers out and get some graft done, far too much time pontificating in this country IMO.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
We have a process of consultation - a real one, as it happens, although of course some are better at manipulating it than others. There are some very good reasons why we don't build large public projects at the speed the Chinese can.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
yeah, but 16 years to build a station?
That's the actual build schedule after the consultation.
We also intend to build HS2 1 stage at a time, rather than having teams starting work from all ends and meeting in the middle, which is utterly nuts. It means the first section when opened will lose money continuously for as long as the sections to leeds, manc and beyond aren't open as the passenger numbers from brum to London alone won't be enough to make it economically viable.
it was about 1987 or so that this line was first promised so that the north of the country could access the channel tunnel, so by the time it opens in the 2030s it will have taken 50 years from conception to opening, which frankly is fucking ridiculous.
Probably because it all has to be done without closing the current station. It would be much quicker if they did. Do you want that?
China's railways are not really the best example to bring up.........
Or if it went down Kingsway we could use that tunnel :thumbs :
bi0boy
Power User
Went on the Shinkansen recently. Was surprised to read that since becoming operational in the 1960s and then expanded the length of Japan, there has never been a single fatality on the high speed network (except for suicides). 16-car trains run every three minutes with an average delay of 50 seconds including adverse weather and natural disasters. It seems to me that the main benefit of HS2 would be in capacity and reliability with the journey time being an added bonus.
Being so old, the Shinkansen actually stops right in the centre of cities. I've been on Taiwan's more recent HSR, and it's quite weird how some stations are in the middle of nowhere a good half hour taxi ride from the actual towns, along multi-lane purpose-built HSR connection highways.
Being so old, the Shinkansen actually stops right in the centre of cities. I've been on Taiwan's more recent HSR, and it's quite weird how some stations are in the middle of nowhere a good half hour taxi ride from the actual towns, along multi-lane purpose-built HSR connection highways.
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weltweit
Well-Known Member
Not reading that article: how the fuck could they tell for trainsets that afaik aren't even on the drawing board?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Tis quite an interesting article.
Basically they are planning to run the HS2 trains at 225mph, faster than any other high speed train, and they are planning to run many services per hour, the track and its designed base is likely to fail in a number of places causing crashes.
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