ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So that's actually 200-450 households, rather than individuals, and very little likelihood of re-housing in similar properties.
HS2 high-speed London-Birmingham route rail project - discussion
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So that's actually 200-450 households, rather than individuals, and very little likelihood of re-housing in similar properties.
skyscraper101
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On the upside, they will be able to get to Brum 20 minutes quicker than usual.
That mobility had better be worth it, because the hordes of council housing tenants made homeless in Camden could easily end up being rehoused in Brum or further north.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
There's going to be a single track link from HS1 to HS2, which will use one of the NLL freight lines for part of its length, but I don't think a lot of work will be needed. The only euro-sized trains will be coming via the tunnel and HS1, so no further work is neccesary.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i couldnt agree more
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
That mobility had better be worth it, because the hordes of council housing tenants made homeless in Camden could easily end up being rehoused in Brum or further north.
you might be right about that...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ha...city-proposed-for-Midlands.html#disqus_thread
Merging cov with brum
well i'm not saying cob instead of batch 
Reno
The In Kraut
I've been reading a few articles now that the HS2 is going to get dropped and very quietly so as not to make this look like another embarrassing U-turn for the government. Personally I'd be very relieved if that's the case. The end of my council estate would have lost its shops to make way for a gigantic air-vent which would have meant building work for years, we would probably lost South Hampstead Overground station which is my nearest public transport station and there was some worry over subsidence. The route had been changed form going underneath the toffs in Primrose Hill to now go under all the heavist buildings in Camden, it's council estates among them, mine which is the heaviest residential building in the UK. There have been problems with subsidence in the 90s which took millions to sort out.
Only found the Mail in a hurry, but also read about it in the Standard. Anybody can confirm anything about it ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ation-compensation-HS2.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Only found the Mail in a hurry, but also read about it in the Standard. Anybody can confirm anything about it ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ation-compensation-HS2.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
London to Manchester in just over an hour? Nice 
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
There's already a big freight yard at Toton Sidings, which sits about halfway between Nottingham and Derby. I was expecting the East Midlands stop to be somewhere near Nottingham airport, far enough from any cities to make it pretty pointless getting the high speed train when you could get a direct train for a lot less money.
With the stop at Toton instead your high speed train ticket might just get you from London to Nottingham in the same time it currently takes to do the journey on an ordiary direct train. Only at vastly greater expense.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Personally, if I needed to be able to get into London within an hour on a regular basis, I wouldn't live in Manchester.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Exactly the same as with the stop 'in' Sheffield.
Had a quick look at the maps on line and it appears to cross the runway at East Midlands Airport
Tunnel
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
we wouldn't have you
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I've lived in Manchester for several years already
If you had to go to London, say, once a week, where would you move to?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I dunno, the problem is that everywhere within an hour's commute of London is completely awful. I just don't wanna see Manchester turn into the Reading of the north.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I've been having a trawl through the plans and a few things confuse me.
They've got a link on their to church fenton, which then joins the existing rail line to York and on to Newcastle.
Firstly, can these high speed trains actually run on the same tracks as existing trains?
Secondly, if they're running on the same tracks as the existing trains, then there's fuck all way that the newcastle line is going to get a HS train to London in 2:18 without some serious restrictions on the other trains on that line, unless their envisaging forcing trans penine express to sort their utterly shite trains out to travel above walking pace on that line.
Edingburgh connections... I can well see the existing edingburgh line through newcastle to leeds, brum, and down to bristol etc being massively hit by the loss of both Newcastle to brum traffic, and edinburgh to brum traffic. I'd hate to lose that route as a result of HS2.
Leeds Station... look at the west yorkshire connections outline and you'd think the HS2 station was part of Leeds existing station, but it's not, it's 300m from the closest part of Leeds Station, via a long footbridge over the river, and another 5 minutes from their to the actual ticket office etc which is the far side of the station. Leeds station is built across the river already, and they could have extended the route directly from where it is to build the new station over the river as well, right next to the existing station... or there's an entire empty area currently used as a carpark right next to the end of the station that could have been used instead, but would also involve a bridge over the river
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I strongly suspect this was plan A, but got moved backwards to cut costs, despite the fact that adding a 10 minute walk between stations significantly negates the concept of building a high speed line to somewhere, especially the claims of connectivity across west Yorkshire.
I'm properly in favour of HS2, and am generally impressed that it's both coming to Leeds and going to be linked up with Scotland and the NE, I'm just not sure on some of the specifics, and am a little wary that Leeds and the NE might end up getting cut off from Scotland unless they run HS lines down both sides.
That midlands stop looks like a massive park and ride set up tbh.
They've got a link on their to church fenton, which then joins the existing rail line to York and on to Newcastle.
Firstly, can these high speed trains actually run on the same tracks as existing trains?
Secondly, if they're running on the same tracks as the existing trains, then there's fuck all way that the newcastle line is going to get a HS train to London in 2:18 without some serious restrictions on the other trains on that line, unless their envisaging forcing trans penine express to sort their utterly shite trains out to travel above walking pace on that line.
Edingburgh connections... I can well see the existing edingburgh line through newcastle to leeds, brum, and down to bristol etc being massively hit by the loss of both Newcastle to brum traffic, and edinburgh to brum traffic. I'd hate to lose that route as a result of HS2.
Leeds Station... look at the west yorkshire connections outline and you'd think the HS2 station was part of Leeds existing station, but it's not, it's 300m from the closest part of Leeds Station, via a long footbridge over the river, and another 5 minutes from their to the actual ticket office etc which is the far side of the station. Leeds station is built across the river already, and they could have extended the route directly from where it is to build the new station over the river as well, right next to the existing station... or there's an entire empty area currently used as a carpark right next to the end of the station that could have been used instead, but would also involve a bridge over the river
.
I strongly suspect this was plan A, but got moved backwards to cut costs, despite the fact that adding a 10 minute walk between stations significantly negates the concept of building a high speed line to somewhere, especially the claims of connectivity across west Yorkshire.
I'm properly in favour of HS2, and am generally impressed that it's both coming to Leeds and going to be linked up with Scotland and the NE, I'm just not sure on some of the specifics, and am a little wary that Leeds and the NE might end up getting cut off from Scotland unless they run HS lines down both sides.
That midlands stop looks like a massive park and ride set up tbh.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
I think Devon and Cornwall need decent rail links far more. The economy there was wrecked by Dr Beeching.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
...but the work for what is currently proposed needs to start in the North and work southwards, not the other way around.
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
Two very good points.
At this rate if HS3 eventually turns up to link London with Devon and Cornwall, I'll be able to use the lines to visit my Dad in Barnstaple for his 112th birthday.
At this rate if HS3 eventually turns up to link London with Devon and Cornwall, I'll be able to use the lines to visit my Dad in Barnstaple for his 112th birthday.
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
You could build about 100 Nottingham style tram systems with £33 billion. So its not a trivial amount or a guaranteed best way to spend the money. But once its built it will be there for hundreds of years. Like the Great Western rail route. Build it well once, and that flat, fast route can be delivering the goods when our grandchildren are dead.
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
Well we only have one line now, and will have two by 2033. Of course London will be the hub. Once there's another Y shaped line linking London with Fishguard and Penzance we can start thinking about some more disparate lines to join up the gaps in the network. Unfortunately, but that time The Sun will have probably run out of Hydrogen.
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