How will you vote in the AV referendum on 5th May 2010 ?

[articul8]

It's your own question used by YG.

I have read it - I'm not complaining about the use of the description, I'm explaining that prefacing the question by "the coalition government has decided.." skews the answer.

Louis - AV might be a majoritarian one but is a better one than FPTP (everyone can vote for their 1st preference without fear of it being wasted, parties get to see their true weight of support in votes cast, their are no unintentional splits in cases where one candidate is manifestly least popular).

 

[butchersapron]

LIb-dems attack PR. genius,

 

[articul8]

because it might result in coalitions. You couldn't make it up.

 

[butchersapron]

I have read it - I'm not complaining about the use of the description, I'm explaining that prefacing the question by "the coalition government has decided.." skews the answer.

Why? Is it untrue or something?

You've finally got the news about why you're going to lose. Haven't you?

 

[butchersapron]

because it might result in coalitions. You couldn't make it up.

It's your fucking boss.

 

[articul8]

no it'a fucking not

 

[butchersapron]

It is, you just don't know it yet. You mug.

 

[articul8]

Why? Is it untrue or something?

You've finally got the news about why you're going to lose. Haven't you?

I've always known and admitted that *if* the referendum becomes a proxy for whether or not to 'reward' the LDs for their role in the coalition of course it's lost. But if ultimately a NO vote is seen as a vote for Westminster "business as usual" then the chances of a YES are much higher.

 

[articul8]

It is, you just don't know it yet. You mug.

I am a political opponent of the LDs and the coalition. Working on this one issue doesn't compromise my ability to attack them on virtually all others.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes it does.

 

[articul8]

How?

 

[butchersapron]

Because, mug, this is the ground they need to win on. They've got nothing without this. (They've got nothing with this, but their mug supporters don't get this yet). You apolitical i just like reform man crap means things in the real world. Work out what they are. Everyone else has.

 

[butchersapron]

Every student a brick in the face of AV. A heel in Clegg's mush, three blows to your pluralism.

 

[articul8]

Every student a brick in the face of AV. A heel in Clegg's mush, three blows to your pluralism.

and a step nearer to a majority Tory government. Great - well done.

 

[articul8]

You apolitical i just like reform man crap means things in the real world. Work out what they are. Everyone else has.

It's not reform for its own sake - its reform because it will create the space for a necessary realignment on the left to break the grip of the most conservative Labourism that you seem happy to see reinforced.

 

[butchersapron]

and a step nearer to a majority Tory government. Great - well done.

Ah, now you do want to talk about outcomes. About defending your lib-dem and labour party. But you don't when it's suggested it till lead to the tories benefiting. You double mug.

 

[butchersapron]

It's not reform for its own sake - its reform because it will create the space for a necessary realignment on the left to break the grip of the most conservative Labourism that you seem happy to see reinforced.

Your pathetic i must be in labour to break it apart nonsense wss destroyed on the streets of london last night. Fuck off back to the past.

 

[London_Calling]

Can I abstain, because that's a really constructive and uncowardly political position.

 

[articul8]

Your pathetic i must be in labour to break it apart nonsense wss destroyed on the streets of london last night. Fuck off back to the past.

remind me of that come the next General Election. Cheerleading protests and riots is easy but it doesn't amount to a strategy.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Cheerleading protests and riots is easy but it doesn't amount to a strategy.

Actually yes it does.

 

[butchersapron]

remind me of that come the next General Election. Cheerleading protests and riots is easy but it doesn't amount to a strategy.

'A strategy' means voting labour btw

 

[Bear]

I'll vote no just because I hate what the Lib Dems have done to the students, telling them lies than screwing them. Normally I'd be in favour, but I can't resist pissing on the the Limp Dicks.

 

[Bear]

Yeah, Tories are cunts but at least they're honest about being cunts. The Lib Dems on the other hand are as useful as a limp pecker. They're useless spineless little pricks than can't get hard. Vote no to fuck with that slimy lying bastard Clegg.

 

[articul8]

Actually yes it does.

How does it? I support building a mass movement against the cuts - but it can't be totally abstracted from the need for an organisation which better reflects w/c interests, including at the electoral level. Whatever the limit of the SP strategy, it at least recognises this...

 

[moochedit]

Poll closed. Yes 18 No 36

 

[Streathamite]

AV might be a majoritarian one but is a better one than FPTP

so what? Practically anything is better than FPTP! It still don't get us anywhere near true PR

 

[Streathamite]

Actually yes it does.

damn - exactly what I would have said!

 

[Streathamite]

How does it? I support building a mass movement against the cuts - but it can't be totally abstracted from the need for an organisation which better reflects w/c interests, including at the electoral level. Whatever the limit of the SP strategy, it at least recognises this...

because working with the protesters (and the rioters) lays the foundation for a mass Direrct Action Movemenrt, which offers far greater likelihood of stopping these cuts and forcing a fair deal than trusting to the benevolence of any of those scumbags in Parliament

 

[moochedit]

In coventry we're having a referendum on an elected mayor apparently as are Birmingham,Bradford, Bristol, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle upon Tyne, Nottingham, Sheffield and Wakefield.

 

[articul8]

because working with the protesters (and the rioters) lays the foundation for a mass Direrct Action Movemenrt, which offers far greater likelihood of stopping these cuts and forcing a fair deal than trusting to the benevolence of any of those scumbags in Parliament

Direct action as an alternative to a new worker's party? So you don't agree with each other, other than to please the tories by opposing any reform whatsoever.