How much are you bothered by the TV election debates carry on?

[Fez909]

Hmm, I'm worried. Farage said almost the same as me

Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, said Miliband had clearly given a better performance, giving him 7/10 against Cameron’s 4/10, Rowena Mason reports.

“It was not what I expected at all,” Farage said. “In terms of personalities, he fought back more, was more human and got the audience clapping. Cameron was nowhere near that. Cameron looked discomfited."

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Hmm, I'm worried. Farage said almost the same as me

Hardly a surprise given the fact the tories are who he's looking to take the most votes from.

 

[butchersapron]

This is the worst thing you have said to anyone on these boards.

Ever.

It's pretty grim i have to admit. But in my defence, they think we are all paxman,we are all burley. That's who we are to them. Paxman for the poshoes and burley for thicker types like me.

 

[Fez909]

Hardly a surprise given the fact the tories are who he's looking to take the most votes from.

You think?

I reckon he's got his rump of Tory votes and now (and for the past few months, at least) it's been Labour votes he's been courting.

 

[butchersapron]

YG times poll:

Cameron 51%
Miliband 49%

802 respondents (other one was about 1100)

 

[Doctor Carrot]

You think?

I reckon he's got his rump of Tory votes and now (and for the past few months, at least) it's been Labour votes he's been courting.

A good point but he's still gotta keep them on side.

 

[Fez909]

Twitter, unsurprisingly, goes Labour

 

[Lord Camomile]

It's pretty grim i have to admit. But in my defence, they think we are all paxman,we are all burley. That's who we are to them. Paxman for the poshoes and burley for thicker types like me.

Fuck me life is depressing.

 

[butchersapron]

The key bit in that guardian instant poll:

There was better news for Miliband when it comes to the crucial question of shifting votes: 56% of the sub-sample who said they might change their mind will now plump for Labour, as against just 30% for the Conservatives.

Would need to see the size of that sub-sample of course.

That sub-sample only 8%. A 3-4% bump not be sniffed at mind.

 

[brogdale]

That sub-sample only 8%. A 3-4% bump not be sniffed at mind.

Yep, but Anthony is, as usual, the voice of reason...

ICM did a rapid “who won” poll after the Paxman interviews with Cameron and Miliband tonight. Cameron won over Miliband by 54% to 46% – we won’t know until the tables appear, but I expect that going to show Labour voters thinking Miliband won, Conservative voters thinking Cameron won, the rest splitting evenly and not many minds changed. Still, we’ll see if there is any longer term effect in the next week’s polls. I wouldn’t have imagined there will be – while the debate was new in 2010, events like tonight’s Paxman interviews or the leaders’ Question Time style event next month aren’t new – there were things just like that in2005 and2001 and they made bog all difference to anything.

Meanwhile tonight’s YouGov poll for the Sun has topline figures of CON 36%, LAB 34%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%. A Tory lead today after some ties and Labour leads so far this week, suggesting the underlying average in YouGov’s daily polls is still neck-and-neck.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

Sorry, fucked up the quote. But i agree with butchersapron- Paxo might as well have called Ed a North London Jew. I thought that. Because North London...... Geek isn't really a thing is it? Unless it was a reference to the whole Islington Labour trope.

 

[Fez909]

Sorry, fucked up the quote. But i agree with butchersapron- Paxo might as well have called Ed a North London Jew. I thought that. Because North London...... Geek isn't really a thing is it? Unless it was a reference to the whole Islington Labour trope.

I assumed the North London bit meant Islington, and the geek bit is just because he looks dorky. But, then, I didn't know North London was associated with Jews, and he was being a complete cunt, so maybe it was that.

 

[DotCommunist]

I assumed the North London bit meant Islington, and the geek bit is just because he looks dorky. But, then, I didn't know North London was associated with Jews, and he was being a complete cunt, so maybe it was that.

Stamford Hill, Golders Green etc, all north london areas with a significant jewish community. He knew what he meant.

 

[kabbes]

Did Paxman not give Milliband exactly what he wanted? Milliband's biggest problem is that he is perceived as weird and weak. This was his chance to square up to the country's biggest bully and show what he is made of. He couldn't have scripted it better himself. He didn't have to face any difficult policy questions, just puff out his chest and make impassioned claims of patriotism.

 

[J Ed]

None of the papers are reporting on how biased the chairing of the 'debate' was, then again who are they all run by?

 

[brogdale]

Good news. Apparently, it's now OK to physically assault politicians in this campaign.

09.00 Ed Miliband was attacked by people wearing Alex Salmond masks yesterday, according to reports.

The Mirror reports that Mr Miliband was hit and shoved by around six people following a campaign event at lunchtime in Rotherhithe, South East London.

One struck him in the chest, the paper said.

Mr Miliband's aides declined to respond to approaches for comment.

Labour activist Rachel Penn, 42, told the Mirror: "He was pretty shaken up. It was quite dramatic.

"His path was blocked by two people who were being very aggressive. He was shoved out of the way and couldn't get in the car.

"One guy punched Ed in the chest and shut the car door so he couldn't get in."

Neil McEwan, another Labour activist said: "The group came out of nowhere. Ed only had four of five steps to get to the car but they set upon him immediately.

"He was definitely pushed but he shrugged it off and made his way to the far side of the car.

"Ed had to push his way through them to get into the car. It was over very quickly but it was shocking."

The incident raises questions about Mr Miliband's protection as he nears Downing Street.

It adds new context to Mr Miliband's combative performance with Jeremy Paxman last night in which he said: "Am I tough enough? Hell yes I'm tough enough."

Game on. Get some sort of mask and get out there to rough-up the vermin.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

So Paxo's "are you all right" might have been genuine concern?

 

[butchersapron]

The suggestion being it was tories - at arms length of course - types? Like that drug man staines does?

 

[brogdale]

So Paxo's "are you all right" might have been genuine concern?

I doubt it. Even if it were, Paxman would have been well aware of how the on-air comment would be perceived.

 

[butchersapron]

It was a naked bully power play - i know i've hurt you, i know i'm great, look everyone - he's weak, like a little child - and i'm great.

 

[mack]

I doubt it. Even if it were, Paxman would have been well aware of how the on-air comment would be perceived.

A cunty thing to do IMO - he knew it would get picked up on.

 

[jusali]

Sorry, fucked up the quote. But i agree with butchersapron- Paxo might as well have called Ed a North London Jew. I thought that. Because North London...... Geek isn't really a thing is it? Unless it was a reference to the whole Islington Labour trope.

I assumed the North London bit meant Islington, and the geek bit is just because he looks dorky. But, then, I didn't know North London was associated with Jews, and he was being a complete cunt, so maybe it was that.

Stamford Hill, Golders Green etc, all north london areas with a significant jewish community. He knew what he meant.

Whatever.......... the fact is that it's name calling in what was supposed to be a political debate....
It was a fucking pantomime played to the tune of Murdochs twisted agenda.
Ed came out looking like the only one who gave a flying fuck about the populace...... the rest was just an egotistical limelight one-up-man-ship quest........
FFS When did we turn into America?

 

[Chilli.s]

Very pleased to have missed the show. Much quicker to let you lot do the leg work and comment, less irritating too.

 

[brogdale]

Much quicker to let you lot do the leg work and comment...

Not really; had you watched it yourself as it was aired you'd have be able to make your own informed opinions instantly.

 

[nino_savatte]

So Paxo's "are you all right" might have been genuine concern?

Insincerity on stilts.

 

[rekil]

The state of this, on every level.

 

[Sasaferrato]

they are all skilled mass debaters

I could if if nay of them have anything to mass debate with. Pygmys, the fucking lot of them.

They do not have the talent and gravitas that they used to have.

 

[butchersapron]

Fist poll since the program - Opinium/Observer:

CON 34 (-2)
LAB 33 (=)
LD 8 (+1)
UKIP 13 (-1)
GRN 7 (+1)

edit:no, fieldwork done the two days before the prog - forget that.

 

[butchersapron]

Now we get the first proper poll with fieldwork wholly conducted after the program - from YG:

LAB - 36% (+2)
CON - 32% (-4)
UKIP - 13% (-)
LDEM - 8% (+1)
GRN - 6% (+1)

 

[Santino]

Now we get the first proper poll with fieldwork wholly conducted after the program - from YG:

LAB - 36% (+2)
CON - 32% (-4)
UKIP - 13% (-)
LDEM - 8% (+1)
GRN - 6% (+1)

Are you ok, Ed?