Sue said:
you really don't have a fucking clue have you?
How many of us anarcho types are left here then?
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you really don't have a fucking clue have you?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
When all this kicked off i must admit i was a bit surprised. I went on there a few times and found it all a bit low key - and that there wasn't that much u75 baiting going on (though my memory might be suspect - hardly made a sober post 
). Naively, thought everyone was going along with the 'mission statement' about not being rivals to u75 etc. But what was going on in the Junta rooms was obviously something else.
Whilst i am politically closer to most 'over there', can't say i was that impressed the things that came out in the locked thread. However much was said about it being a joke/only a couple of ppl/already addressed, it still didn't look very good. Problem is though, its gone way beyond the 'evidence' and what ppl actually said and did. Got a life of its own which has led to ppl leaving, standing on their dignity, feeling they have to choose etc. Kind of hard to see how ppl who left can actually come back, without it being seen as a defeat.
Would be nice to see some dialogue - providing an opportunity for some friendships to be restored. Doubt that thats gonna happen in the near future though. Nobody wants to admit they were wrong. Shame really.
). Naively, thought everyone was going along with the 'mission statement' about not being rivals to u75 etc. But what was going on in the Junta rooms was obviously something else.Whilst i am politically closer to most 'over there', can't say i was that impressed the things that came out in the locked thread. However much was said about it being a joke/only a couple of ppl/already addressed, it still didn't look very good. Problem is though, its gone way beyond the 'evidence' and what ppl actually said and did. Got a life of its own which has led to ppl leaving, standing on their dignity, feeling they have to choose etc. Kind of hard to see how ppl who left can actually come back, without it being seen as a defeat.
Would be nice to see some dialogue - providing an opportunity for some friendships to be restored. Doubt that thats gonna happen in the near future though. Nobody wants to admit they were wrong. Shame really.
4thwrite said:
well i was of that opinion, and happy to maintain relationships / friendships with the people over there i liked and trusted (there's no innate hypocrisy in frequenting both sites).
but when my personal conversations and PMs were being reported back in some form by those 'friends' i had to kind of draw a line in the sand, really, which genuinely hurts in a few instances.
Dubversion said:
Well I did make it to post eleven hundred and something on the other thread so I reckon I've a reasonable idea about what you're all on about. (Unless something particularly exciting happened after that that I missed.)
This just all reminds me of being at school with things being blown up out of all proportion. In the scheme of things, does this really matter...?
The answer in a nutshell is that yes, they do matter. People post all sorts of things on here with the assumption that they're going to be able to remain pretty much anonymous should they want to. Information-gathering threatens that anonymity and is de facto intimidation. Plenty of people have employers or whatever that wouldn't be happy about people posting about drugs and things, and if everyone has to watch what they say/admit to the same as in RL then the character of the boards will change.
What I like about internet boards is that they provide a way to interact with people that largely lacks the identity issues that occur when dealing with people directly, so undermining that is a pretty major faux-pas., in my humble opinion. The fact is that it would be pretty trivial for anyone to get most posters details, real name etc should they really want to, so it makes it even more of a point of courtesy that posters privacy is respected.
What I like about internet boards is that they provide a way to interact with people that largely lacks the identity issues that occur when dealing with people directly, so undermining that is a pretty major faux-pas., in my humble opinion. The fact is that it would be pretty trivial for anyone to get most posters details, real name etc should they really want to, so it makes it even more of a point of courtesy that posters privacy is respected.
Sue said:This just all reminds me of being at school with things being blown up out of all proportion. In the scheme of things, does this really matter...?
when you're being accused of all sorts of shit; when personal details are being traded like cigarette cards in secret forums; when there are accusations of corruption, tax fraud and the like; when your personal communications with other posters are being reported back in secret forums..
yes, it really matters
back at you,.I've been away for a few days but thought all this had been kind of left to lie. And this isn't the only thread where people are having digs, mentioning previous events obliquely or whatever else.
Sure I'm not the only person who's wondering whether there's any point in coming here anymore when it all just seems to have got a bit depressing really.
Sure I'm not the only person who's wondering whether there's any point in coming here anymore when it all just seems to have got a bit depressing really.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I agree the carping is getting boring. It may even be justified, but it doesn't make it any less dull.Sue said:
Sue said:
i'm sure it'll pass, and i'm sorry you find it depressing but don't you think it's unfair of you to criticise those who've been fucked over in a variety of ways for being upset?
aurora green
Tectonic
Oh come on, It's quite a shock. A drama. And in order to move on, people do need to process what has happened surely?
Sue said:Well I did make it to post eleven hundred and something on the other thread so I reckon I've a reasonable idea about what you're all on about. (Unless something particularly exciting happened after that that I missed.)
This just all reminds me of being at school with things being blown up out of all proportion. In the scheme of things, does this really matter...?
I read the whole of the other thread yesterday; train-wreck that it was.
What I kept finding amazing was the following chain of argument:
A: My personal details are on a board in a secret thread
B: No they're not.
C: Actually, here's a post with them on.
B: Oh, well we've stopped that now.
C: Given that B didn't know about them, how can B know they've stopped?
D: I'm A's friend/partner/SO/... and the fact my details are on some weird board scares me shitless.
E: Gosh, it was all a bit of a joke. Why are A and C getting worked up?
I think this cycle happened 8 or 9 times in the course of the thread, with a variety of people stepping in as B and E at various points.
Plus, some of the threats that were made were of a particularly nasty sort, and it also seems that the people collecting information about other people were doing *a lot* of it - how much, no-one seems to know.
If *my* details had turned up in those cicrumstances, I'd be pretty pissed off, and *not* inclined to take personal surveillance by weird-ass
fuckers as "not really mattering". I'd probably be off reading the anti-stalking laws right now.
Dubversion said:
I guess I think either these are people you don't know in which case what's the point in getting upset. Or, these are people you know and saw as friends in which case you'd be better dealing with it directly with them.
I'm sorry you think I'm being unfair though.
And with that, think it's time to go (for the moment anyway).
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
True - i wasn't directly involved but found it pretty astonishing (a single complaint - on a thread about something else - led to a weird snowball effect which end up with 20 or more ppl leaving). Its not just a cyber spat - i would guess most of the ppl who went would have known others in irl as well.aurora green said:
Sue said:
in several instances i DID deal directly with them - indeed, i didn't even mention the main incident (that involved me) on these boards until somebody raised it here. In the meantime, the contents of my PMs about the issue (which i tried to deal with reasonably) were reported back to the secret forum on TG by 'friends' of mine.
how would that make you feel? still think i'm getting upset over nothing?
From the u75 FAQ:
6. Trolling/direct linking. Do not directly link to 'hostile' websites (leave gaps in the URL if you wish to refer to them). Anyone found posting up malicious links on other sites and/or trying to stir up 'board wars' will be banned. Persistently disruptive posters will be banned. Repeated efforts to derail the debate could result in forum access termination. Multiple identities are not allowed.
I think this rule covers the situation quite well. Also anyone making allegations of misuse or theft of funds should consider this:
"There are civil and criminal laws against certain forms of speech like libel, defamation of character, harassment and threats. Please contact us if you see any such content. It is the prerogative of any poster who feels any laws have been violated to pursue legal action. Posters are responsible for what they post, and should realise there may be serious consequences for illegal behaviour."
We have no control about what goes on on hostile websites. Being a member of one doesn't get people banned automatically - just people's behaviour and posts here on u75.
However, there is no point giving any hostile site publicity or taking part in board wars - whether it is a more obvious and long-standing hostile site or a more recent one with some benign/innocent cross-membership.
I say quit talking about them, get on with things here and ban people, links or attempts to start a board war. This would mean that u75 posters shouldn't take part in hostile threads over on hostile sites or hostile threads here, and shouldn't cross reference to posters or threads on a hostile board.
6. Trolling/direct linking. Do not directly link to 'hostile' websites (leave gaps in the URL if you wish to refer to them). Anyone found posting up malicious links on other sites and/or trying to stir up 'board wars' will be banned. Persistently disruptive posters will be banned. Repeated efforts to derail the debate could result in forum access termination. Multiple identities are not allowed.
I think this rule covers the situation quite well. Also anyone making allegations of misuse or theft of funds should consider this:
"There are civil and criminal laws against certain forms of speech like libel, defamation of character, harassment and threats. Please contact us if you see any such content. It is the prerogative of any poster who feels any laws have been violated to pursue legal action. Posters are responsible for what they post, and should realise there may be serious consequences for illegal behaviour."
We have no control about what goes on on hostile websites. Being a member of one doesn't get people banned automatically - just people's behaviour and posts here on u75.
However, there is no point giving any hostile site publicity or taking part in board wars - whether it is a more obvious and long-standing hostile site or a more recent one with some benign/innocent cross-membership.
I say quit talking about them, get on with things here and ban people, links or attempts to start a board war. This would mean that u75 posters shouldn't take part in hostile threads over on hostile sites or hostile threads here, and shouldn't cross reference to posters or threads on a hostile board.
skyscraper has now claimed that contributing to the server fund and being surprised it ends up furnishing the editor's flat is like sending money to Israel and being surprised when it kills Arab children.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
i've had to leave it go for now for my sanity...
still awaiting an explanation for being wrongfully accused of stalking
and also worried about what lengths some of them will go to.
some will come back, the interesting ones with a bit of humility, the others are welcome to it. shame mind
still awaiting an explanation for being wrongfully accused of stalking
and also worried about what lengths some of them will go to.some will come back, the interesting ones with a bit of humility, the others are welcome to it. shame mind
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Fruitloop said:
In the same way, I can understand why now some Tollers want to 'take stock' of the time, energy and money that they have given to U75, such as on the TG thread that has been mentioned. I don't think it's being done in a particularly sensible or grown-up way on that thread 'over there', but it is no more -- at worst -- than a bit of joshing around. There are no serious threats to report anyone to the IRS; I really can't see that happening, and would be strongly against it. TBH we'd probably look down on anyone who acted like such a grass.
As for talking about people on moderators' forums, well that's part and parcel of how bulletin boards work; I understand that u75 also has private forums where posters are discussed. Fair enough. That is also what the mod forums on TTG are now used for, thank goodness. In the short term, of course, this actually means that more gossiping about U75 will spill over onto the general boards. Hopefully that will get old pretty soon. There's no way for me to make anyone believe me whenI say that 'the files' have been deleted but, well that's one of the problems with the internet.
Sorry if I don't follow this thread close enough to answer any questions that my post has raised. If you really want to know, PM me or, even better, take a look at the TG threads and judge for yourself.
Please don't PM me with lots of abuse, or a list of random accusations, however. I don't feel the need to defend or explain a long list of things that might have happened, as this whole shebang isn't too big a deal for me (and sometimes I actually need to get some work done
)nonsense. provably so..
but the mod forums on U75 feature what - 4-6 people? as opposed to 40+ plus and expanding ex-Urbanite posters on the Files.
you really think that's a valid comparison?
Random said:
but the mod forums on U75 feature what - 4-6 people? as opposed to 40+ plus and expanding ex-Urbanite posters on the Files.
you really think that's a valid comparison?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Dubversion said:
Yeah, but anyone who takes shitscraper seriously is seven kinds of stupid anyway, and deserves a good slap.
Sorry to hear about what Ern and his disciples did re: posting info about you and your partner. ). I'm a afraid if it were me I wouldn't have been as sanguine (and yes, I know you haven't been that sanguine!) as you, I'd be heading down to a certain educational establishment to confront a certain person face to face. You're a better (and obviously more self-controlled
) man than I.- Status
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