How many of us anarcho types are left here then?

[mk12]

And there's no such threads about Urban over there?

Oh no I forgot, none in public anyway.

Maybe there is. As I said, by having this thread, you're being hypocritical.

 

[revol68]

because they are knopf, jimmer, kropotkin and butchers for fucks sake. Scratch a 'proper' anarchist & you get an aspirational middle manager more authoritarian than any lefty bollock.

don't be a silly cunt monte!

As much as I might be in bewilderment in regards their Junta involvement i'm not about to lose al grip on reality and imagine some lil twat who was desperate to be a union organiser for the TGWU isn't being a hypocritical cunt when he talks about apsirational middle managers.

 

[Groucho]

everyone is permitted entry provided they want to contribute in some form...see mattkids post as proof that swappies are indeed welcome...

That has put my mind at rest.

I shall not be joining the TG. ..any club that would have me as a member blah blah

 

[aurora green]

..However, it has undeniably had an impact on the boards here, with the loss of a few people whose posts I've enjoyed reading for several years now, so I reckon it's okay for us to take stock of things.

I agree. I do feel very sad to see many people go.

 

[William of Walworth]

As far as all the talk about more democratic structures and like goes, well yes so far there is a certain hypocrisy to that. U75 has a two tier structure with a tiny number of moderators and a huge number of posters. That other place has an equally two tier structure, just a ludicrously top heavy one. On the other hand, while I think that's a bit silly and that the secret moderator forums hurt the rest of the board by attracting a high percentage of the posts, I don't really think it's something worth getting wound up about or whining about. Again, the moderators over there, like the editor here, are providing a site that I enjoy using. If people want to have a private chatroom then I don't see that it's any business of mine.

I know you're trying to be fair, but I completely disagree with your thinking on that.

It's not 'whining' to take issue with being the focus of malicious gossip, or with having facts about you passed around 'privately' to fuel such gossip.

Yes the Files have been closed -- so we're told. Can we trust that all such malicious gossip has stopped anywhere though. A public thread about donations contains some, albeit with ineffectual efforts by others to cool it. Until we're categorically assured otherwise it's hard to believe that such shit -- at least in milder form perhaps -- isn't still going on behind the scenes.

It's what we DON'T know that's disturbing, not what we do. And the endless denials that there's any kind of problem, or that problems are all Urban75's fault.

 

[Dubversion]

I agree. I do feel very sad to see many people go.

i agree as well, but i'm even more sad about the way people i previously trusted and respected and concurred with on many issues have decided to take such a divisive all-or-nothing stance, and help fan the flames of some of the nastier content elsewhere

 

[William of Walworth]

I agree. I do feel very sad to see many people go.

I find the defections TTGwards incomprehensible personally.

In a non upside down world. there'd have been far more the other direction.

Admittedly some of the departures have been involuntary ...

 

[pinkmonkey]

AAh it'll blow over, some will return, some won't and you can bet your bottom dollar that in another few months or a year or so, pretty much the same thing will happen AGAIN with another board.

I'd put money on it,I really would,it's not like this is the first time this has happened is it? So predictable.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

so I reckon it's okay for us to take stock of things.

Good way of describing it that…

 

[Groucho]

I agree. I do feel very sad to see many people go.

Who has gone? Anyone I'll miss?

 

[William of Walworth]

Moderators of BOTH websites :

Periodically all this stuff will continue to arise, OK perhaops with decreasing frequencyu over time, until in some way the issue is resolved.

In my view the mods over at TTG should be preparing and issuing a statement. Their current silence amounts to collusion and protecting the offenders IMO, and in the O of a fair few others I should think. Not to mention all the recent blither from a few about 'hackers' and about how misrepresented the poor TTG dears have been.
Classic blame displacement.

 

[mk12]

Who has gone? Anyone I'll miss?

Pickmans Model is the first one that springs to mind that you'll miss.

 

[William of Walworth]

Who has gone? Anyone I'll miss?

I was particularly sorry to see Pilgrim go, he was sound.

Never had any problem (until this) with steeplejack either.

 

[Groucho]

Pickmans Model is the first one that springs to mind that you'll miss.

Remind me...Pickmans Model?

 

[phildwyer]

Butcher's is the biggest loss, you won't find many people as smart or knowledgable as him. I hope he can be enticed back somehow.

 

[Dubversion]

In my view the mods over at TTG should be preparing and issuing a statement. Their current silence amounts to collusion and protecting the offenders IMO, and in the O of a fair few others I should think. Not to mention all the recent blither from a few about 'hackers' and about how misrepresented the poor TTG dears have been.
Classic blame displacement.

erm, william, i hate to disappoint you but in almost every instance the worst offenders are mods / admins /junta etc.

(not that all mods / admins / junta are worst offenders)

 

[William of Walworth]

AAh it'll blow over, some will return, some won't and you can bet your bottom dollar that in another few months or a year or so, pretty much the same thing will happen AGAIN with another board.

I'd put money on it,I really would,it's not like this is the first time this has happened is it? So predictable.

A very small number of the TTG mods/admins are responsible though. They remain at the heart of the problem, because they're still mods. And none of the other mods have been all that honest (in public) about what's being done about them, if anything.

 

[In Bloom]

A thread all about the Tolling Gang?

It wasn't meant to be, honest

I just noticed that a fair few sound and interesting posters have left over that whole daft spat and thought it was a shame, is all.

 

[Groucho]

I was particularly sorry to see Pilgrim go, he was sound.

Never had any problem (until this) with steeplejack either.

Actually yes, Pilgrim seemed ok.

I won't miss those who did not consider honesty to be a valid part of debate but who would resort to calling other people liars at the drop of a hat, or who chose to hurl pointless abuse rather than debate issues. Names have slipped my mind. Gone and forgotten!

 

[Kid_Eternity]

AAh it'll blow over, some will return, some won't and you can bet your bottom dollar that in another few months or a year or so, pretty much the same thing will happen AGAIN with another board.

I'd put money on it,I really would,it's not like this is the first time this has happened is it? So predictable.

After the Dissensus stupidity that wouldn’t surprise me really…

 

[sleaterkinney]

Remind me...Pickmans Model?

He was a pedant.

 

[William of Walworth]

erm, william, i hate to disappoint you but in almost every instance the worst offenders are mods / admins /junta etc.

(not that all mods / admins / junta are worst offenders)

I'm well aware of that! See my above post.

You have the key Gang of Four (although I have a certain amount of confusion about whether 'Lustbather' (= Swarthy Twat) is an admin).

Plus the other moderators who let it happen, colluded with it to a greater or lesser extent. Unforgiveable of them too. But the only way of reaching a resolution is for the less directly offending ones to thoroughly disassociate themselves from the others, which they haven't in any way done.

All are in some degree guilty therefore. Even if just of 'ignoring' the indefensible, by shuffling the worst shit off into a special forum that they washed their hands of by deliberately not entering it -- I'm aware of the dodgy, Godwins Law-busting historical parallels here but I won't go to those for the moment.

I still have slender hopes that one or two of the more sane/rational ones will be capable of seeing sense.

 

[William of Walworth]

In my view the mods over at TTG should be preparing and issuing a statement. Their current silence amounts to collusion and protecting the offenders IMO, and in the O of a fair few others I should think. Not to mention all the recent blither from a few about 'hackers' and about how misrepresented the poor TTG dears have been.
Classic blame displacement.

erm, william, i hate to disappoint you but in almost every instance the worst offenders are mods / admins /junta etc.

(not that all mods / admins / junta are worst offenders)

To summarise my point, they should be put on the spot in my book.

 

[sleaterkinney]

To summarise my point, they should be put on the spot in my book.

That's not going to happen though is it as for some of the junta ttg was set up as a rival/copy/alternative u75.

 

[dormouse]

After the Dissensus stupidity that wouldn’t surprise me really…

I haven't seen the Tolling boards, but from what I've read here it sounds very much like Dissensus mk 2. One minute it's FTP they're following, the next it's Ernie. I'm disappointed (and very surprised) at how easily led some people seem to be - all wanting to be part of their hero's gang and picking on the people he doesn't like so as to impress him.

 

[nwnm]

Can't you lot find a more fitting title for these threads? the last 2 about the tolling gang are supposed to be about totally different topics. I'm thinking of starting one up called 'does my bum look big in this?' with a poll to see whether it should be about 'how many anarchist/libertarians can you fit in a phone box?' or 'wots that in Galloway's toilet?'

 

[aurora green]

Can't you lot find a more fitting title for these threads? the last 2 about the tolling gang are supposed to be about totally different topics. I'm thinking of starting one up called 'does my bum look big in this?' with a poll to see whether it should be about 'how many anarchist/libertarians can you fit in a phone box?' or 'wots that in Galloway's toilet?'

At least this one's a bit easier to find.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

At least this one's a bit easier to find.

And likely to survive a binning (covert TG talk is pretty amusing!).

*sinks thread further beneath mods radar*

 

[Dubversion]

Can't you lot find a more fitting title for these threads? the last 2 about the tolling gang are supposed to be about totally different topics. I'm thinking of starting one up called 'does my bum look big in this?' with a poll to see whether it should be about 'how many anarchist/libertarians can you fit in a phone box?' or 'wots that in Galloway's toilet?'

threads evolve as they're posted on, that's natural. and the title for this is fairly clear to anyone paying attention. Would you like all threads to be titled like a History A Level essay?

 

[Sue]

FFS, what is the point in stirring up all this shit again..?

People have gone off to do their own thing, you're pissed off (possibly justifiably) but really... get over yourselves.