Can it win in such an environment? I've touched on my concerns elsewhere in terms of the combination of the country's economic woes, a disgruntled electorate with little to look forward to and Reform growing stronger and perfectly placed to continue sowing the seeds of division. How does Labour fight and succeed if the propaganda of the far right (immigration, Islamophobia, knife crime, grooming gangs etc) becomes the dominant theme going forward? In such a poisonous environment I doubt if highlighting the contribution of foreign workers to the NHS is going to cut it.
How does Labour win an election where concerns over immigration, Islamophobia etc are dominant themes?
- Thread starter nightowl
- Start date
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Well the first question is how do they become the dominant theme isn't it? It's not like Labour somehow has no part in that is it.
As to how they win - having a decent policy platform which actually offers something to people rather than centrist neoliberalism.
As to how they win - having a decent policy platform which actually offers something to people rather than centrist neoliberalism.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
By improving working class people's lives in terms of pay, job security, bills, public services, housing and welfare; all of the drivers that push folk into the arms of the far-right. But they won't because they are a neoliberal party.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yeah create a different theme maybe.
Every time they've looked like they were moving towards doing that in some way, they've bottled it. Paid off by lobbyists or warned off by think tank ghouls.
The unions are now telling them, don't water down the workers' rights stuff or it'll be more ammunition for right wing grifters. Why are you on a zero hour contract? Too many immigrants competing with you for work. Labour needs to be able to say, no it's because your boss is a cunt, and here's what we've done about it.
Every time they've looked like they were moving towards doing that in some way, they've bottled it. Paid off by lobbyists or warned off by think tank ghouls.
The unions are now telling them, don't water down the workers' rights stuff or it'll be more ammunition for right wing grifters. Why are you on a zero hour contract? Too many immigrants competing with you for work. Labour needs to be able to say, no it's because your boss is a cunt, and here's what we've done about it.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Nationalism and racism are best undermined with solid working class centred politics. Labour is not interested in any of that though. As our brogdale says, they're a neoliberal party of the bosses, for the bosses. Anyone with any hint of socialist awareness needs to be giving the right wing Starmer trash a massive fucking swerve.
MrsArcanum
Happy Year of The Luminous Lemur 2025
Levenson needs to be back on the table to reign in the increasingly bizarre output from Tufton St to their pet media outlets.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I don’t want Labour to win an election again. I want them washed away into the past, along with the Tories and Farage, billionaires, elite centrists and the political class. Fuck em all
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
They're all in it to line their own pockets. That isn't going to happen if they fuck with capitalism.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
True, but these fuckers can't even summon up social democracy that very much does not fuck with capitalism.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They would double down on the party's racism and proven support for genocide. They wouldn't fight what the lp has stood for for years. Don't you remember starmer sticking two fingers up to Muslim voters mere months ago?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Today Labour has announced that they will ban people smugglers from using mobile phones. "Go on Yvette, you fucking show 'em!!!" - ffs
Vermin replied that Rwanda is less of a joke than that crap, and they have a point.
Immigration appeals centre in France, those who qualify come over on Eurostar. No more people smugglers, so more refugees drowning in the Channel.
But no, the best these brains can conjure up is a watered down version of the Tory scum to ensure Farage waltzes in to Downing St.
Vermin replied that Rwanda is less of a joke than that crap, and they have a point.
Immigration appeals centre in France, those who qualify come over on Eurostar. No more people smugglers, so more refugees drowning in the Channel.
But no, the best these brains can conjure up is a watered down version of the Tory scum to ensure Farage waltzes in to Downing St.
Puddy_Tat
happy mew year
hmm.
while there's some truth in this -
gut feeling is that labour didn't so much win the 2024 election as the tories lose it.
in 4 or so years' time, people will remember less about how crap the tories were, but will remember how crap the starmer government has been (assuming it continues to be crap which so far seems a safe assumption)
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
Basically it doesn't until it learns that slavishly following a right wing media agenda without ever arguing against it is entirely foolish. If Starmer and co don't have the guts to call out xenophobic lies then they don't have a chance against Reform who actually believe that sort of nonsense. Labour can't win elections long term by ceding the narrative to the far right. Murdoch, Rothermere et al might be willing to give Labour an easy ride in the short term when they see the Tories are dead in the water, but in the longer term they will always go back to pushing for proto-fascism. Trying to appease them never works for more than a couple of general elections.
Whagwan
.
Dream of Pasokification
Last edited:
Similar threads
- Poll
- Poll
