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snowy_again
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Have we done this yet:
There’s a longer twitter thread that shows them being released and then stopped again in the park.
Bullying Lumberjack bloke is a regular feature round here...
There’s a longer twitter thread that shows them being released and then stopped again in the park.
Bullying Lumberjack bloke is a regular feature round here...
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Disgusting but not surprising.
My sister lived on Atlantic road / Vining St a the time of the original "uprising". I remember her saying that the place was a tinder box because (in part or in main) of police attitude. She said she would not wait at a bus stop on Acre lane as she said that to do so was an invitation to be stopped under Suss law
Look like things have come full circle, or never changed.
I happen to be caucasian and have not had a single uninvited interaction with the police in 30 years of living here. Not statistically significant in itself but....
My sister lived on Atlantic road / Vining St a the time of the original "uprising". I remember her saying that the place was a tinder box because (in part or in main) of police attitude. She said she would not wait at a bus stop on Acre lane as she said that to do so was an invitation to be stopped under Suss law
Look like things have come full circle, or never changed.
I happen to be caucasian and have not had a single uninvited interaction with the police in 30 years of living here. Not statistically significant in itself but....
Gramsci
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I was living in Brixton in the months running up to the 81 riot.
Im white but was stopped and searched when Operation Swamp was started. Cops everywhere stopping "undesirables".
It needs to be remembered Thatcher divided the country. If you lived in Brixton you were obviously not an upstanding member of society. The enemy within.
The Police sided with Thatcher in the 80s.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I was in a group of young white people searched outside the Coach and Horses in Coldharbour Lane after closing time during the Swamp operation.
The one who had a hardest time was the vulnerable looking one.
That operation was about who rules the streets in my opinion. And bullying, which seems a character trait police officers apparently admire.
Gramsci
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When BLM here supported defunding the police. Spending the money are more useful things like youth centre Starmer came out all bullish about how he supported the police and BLM was a just a "moment."
Looking at the video and its good example why the police need to be defunded.
Bunch of muppets with nothing else better to do than harass someone walking their dog.
Looking at the video and its good example why the police need to be defunded.
Bunch of muppets with nothing else better to do than harass someone walking their dog.
urbanspaceman
Well-Known Member
Reports on Nextdoor of a shooting (4 shots ?, a death ?) on Brailsford Road this morning. Anybody know anything ?
editor
hiraethified
Only found this:
Reports on Nextdoor of a shooting (4 shots ?, a death ?) on Brailsford Road this morning. Anybody know anything ?
Gramsci
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This incident is covered in this Vice article as well.
Police Stop and Searches Have Skyrocketed During the Pandemic
Stop and searches in the UK capital more than doubled in the month of May year-on-year, disproportionately affecting Black people.
www.vice.com
Police say increase in Stop and Search is due to less police needed for emergency calls etc during Pandemic So more police on streets needing something to do.
The police also have more powers during pandemic. Which they are happy to use.
This affects Black people more.
Police say they aren't targeting Black people. Its just that with opportunity to have more officers on the ground they are targeting drugs and violence.
Makes me want to support defunding the police.
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Nivag
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Can you explain what defunding the UK police means to you ?
Apologies for dragging you back to the great Herne Hill war photo mystery, but I had a sort out of old books at the weekend and came across this old book about Dulwich which answers the question. Given the little you had to go on, I'd say your sleuthing was incredibly impressive!
I've added some photos of the relevant pages, apologies for the quality of them!
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Excellent! What an interesting read. Thanks so much for sharing these.
Gramsci
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Posted up this on politics boards. On the book the End of Policing
Written before these protests its now topical.
He is saying that policing is recent invention. It was brought in to police the new working class who flocked to towns in early days of industrial revolution, In USA also to police the black slave who worked in towns in the south and to help subjugate colonised people. Both US and UK brought it in.
So from its inception policing was about social control of Black people, people in colonies and the new working class.
This developed over the years but this is it reason for being.
He knows more about the US than here.
In US he argues that policing is where the Neo Liberals and social conservatives found common ground. The Neo Liberals didnt want to blame social ill on the market , the social conservatives believed that individuals were responsible for crime/ anti social behaviour.
This came together in the "Broken Windows" policing ( was imported here). Instead of inequality causing more crime its was low level anti social behaviour that if ignored led to more serious crime. So standing on its head idea that reforms like redistribution of wealth would cut crime ( as people would not need to steal to survive) to individualising it to working class /poor communities need to be controlled more.
He says the claims for success of this strategy dont hold up.
He is critical of liberal reforms of policing. The if only police get better training , get more Black officers and have community meetings.
He says a lot of this was done under Obama and in local States/Cities. It does not work. Having more Black officers makes no difference. They are part of a repressive organisation whose reason for being is social control.
His view iis that the Liberal reformist view of policing does not want to acknowledge the origins and history of this recent invention. Which is social control of the working class and Black people.
So what he says is "defund" the Police. As is being said in Seattle- cut the police budget by half, turn the police station into community centre and invest the money from police budget into the poor communites.
So in summary:
Policing is about social control and repression. That is what it was set up to do
Liberal Reforms make no difference.
The police/ prison budget should be cut and the money put into poor communites.
Beyond that the social ills that cause crime woud start to be dealt with real redistribution of wealth, decent secure housing for all and decent secure work for all.
Plus decriminalising drugs.
The End of Policing
The massive uprising following the police killing of George Floyd in the summer of 2020--by some estimates the largest protests in US history--thrust the argument to defund the police to the forefront of international politics. It also made The End of Policing a bestseller and Alex Vitale, its...
www.versobooks.com
Interview with the author.
Im half way through the book. One further thing is that policing / prisons and the justice system are very expensive. If social problems could be dealt with before entering the policing system then money would be saved.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The End of Policing book is mainly about the USA.
This Guardian article about UK summarises some of the issues.
'Defund the police' is not nonsense. Here's what it really means | Adam Elliott-Cooper
Expanding the UK’s police and prisons has done little for public safety, says research associate Adam Elliott-Cooper
Another thing about Vitale the American who wrote End of Policing. He also at times talks about the police/ Courts/ prisons together.
Prisons have grown in US as more hardline policies mean more people in jail.
This costs a fortune. End up with what Vitale calls revolving door justice. People go in and out of jail whilst social problems - lack of affodable housing, jobs etc go unaddressed. If they were then people would be less inclined to turn to low level crime.
This country has gone down the same road. Highest prison population in Europe.
So "Defunding the Police" also covers how the judicial system and prison system operate.
The issues here are similar to some US ones. Lack of youth services which have been cut is a big issue. I see it in LJ. Adventure playground was under threat. Now open on a shoe string with charity grants. The Youth Centre next door hasnt operated as a fully open youth centre for long time. Due to lack of funding.
Vitale in his book points out lot of police work is unnecessary.
This massive increase in stop and search in London. Is it really necessary. I dont think so.
Bottom line is money spent on affordable housing, youth services, non police social services for people with problems would mean police budgets and intrusion on peoples everyday lives could be dramaticallly reduced.
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snowy_again
Slush
The physical distancing barrier seem to be creeping closer and closer towards the curb every day.
I’m sure that access ramps had more space last week. Anyone know the people to contact to get it moved back out and to make it accessible again?
I’m sure that access ramps had more space last week. Anyone know the people to contact to get it moved back out and to make it accessible again?
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
Not much point having a ramp with no space to turn at the bottom of it.
www.lambeth.gov.uk
Streets and roads
Request a dropped kerb, report a pot hole or hazardous spillage.
www.lambeth.gov.uk
snowy_again
Slush
Not much point having a ramp with no space to turn at the bottom of it.
Streets and roads
Request a dropped kerb, report a pot hole or hazardous spillage.
Ta. Which category does it fit in on that Lambeth site? I can’t see an obvious one.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I think email the streets team here? As per usual lambeth style it is not very clear. But I've had success in the past emailing them.
Might be worth copying to your councillors?
snowy_again
Slush
Yes, took them back to the pavement.
Brockwell Hall Restoration
The lead architectural consultants are working towards an interim report to the Lottery Heritage Fund at the end of July as well as a planning application to Lambeth in the same month. At present t…
brockwellparkcommunitypartners.org.uk
Brockwell Hall Restoration.
editor
hiraethified
The consultation site is currently borked.Brockwell Hall Restoration
The lead architectural consultants are working towards an interim report to the Lottery Heritage Fund at the end of July as well as a planning application to Lambeth in the same month. At present t…
Brockwell Hall Restoration.
And, err, what?
And the 'if possible' bit worries me:
Nivag
Well-Known Member
I think they don't know the correct URL
Brockwell Hall | Brockwell Hall Restoration Project
brockwellhallrestoration.org
T & P
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Great vibe in the area outside HH station tonight. Felt as good as pre-lockdown times 
Admittedly the good weather was crucial as there’s very limited space inside the venues, but on a warm evening like this it was just great. People sitting about on the pavement or on picnic chairs they’d brought from home, others standing on the road, a lively yet relax and civilised atmosphere... Just what the doctor ordered.
Admittedly the good weather was crucial as there’s very limited space inside the venues, but on a warm evening like this it was just great. People sitting about on the pavement or on picnic chairs they’d brought from home, others standing on the road, a lively yet relax and civilised atmosphere... Just what the doctor ordered.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Great vibe in the area outside HH station tonight. Felt as good as pre-lockdown times
Admittedly the good weather was crucial as there’s very limited space inside the venues, but on a warm evening like this it was just great. People sitting about on the pavement or on picnic chairs they’d brought from home, others standing on the road, a lively yet relax and civilised atmosphere... Just what the doctor ordered.
All thanks to those fascists banning through traffic a few years back
T & P
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Not sure if that was a general observation or directed at me. If the latter I can assure you I couldn’t agree more with the redesign of that stretch of road that resulted in an end w through motor traffic.All thanks to those fascists banning through traffic a few years back
I would in fact take it further and restrict any access to a morning slot for van deliveries, and no parking at all allowed other than a 10-minute set down time for those picking up arrivals from the station.
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T & P
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On the subject of the much improved conditions for pedestrians in that area, this is by no means a whataboutsim post but there might also be an argument for making cyclists dismount and walk their bike at the point where the asphalt ends and the pavement begins if not earlier. It’s bad enough on quiet daytime periods, and even worse during busy pedestrian presence as far too many passing cyclists seem to choose to not to slow down anymore than they can get away with, or simply treat standing peds as a bit of ski slalom-style fun challenge. Completely unenforceable in practice of course.
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