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coley said:
Well that is one of the reasons the IPCC exists is it not? to combat corruption?
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Putatively.

Given their role, they're seriously under-resourced, and seriously mis-staffed. One might almost think that too often their presence is meant to act as a sop to public concern, not to "watch the watchmen".
 
frogwoman said:
lumpen :mad:
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Short for lumpenproletariat. A catch-all term used primarily by self-styled Marxists to describe people "below" the proletariat. The lumpen include all people who might belong to the working class, if they worked. The unemployed, disabled, prisoners, and homeless are all part of the lumpen.

I can live with that
 
Here's another reason to hate the filthy cunts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...prayed-arrested-ELEVEN-officers.html?ITO=1490

He called the police, and they killed him becasue they are dirty fucking cunts.

An amateur rugby league player collapsed and died after being overpowered with pepper-spray as he was being arrested by up to eleven police officers.

Jacob Michael, 25, was sprayed in the face inside his home in the Widnes area of Cheshire, but managed to flee officers before being brought down on a verge 30 metres away.

He was taken to a police station where he became unwell and was rushed to hospital by ambulance. He was pronounced dead two hours later.

Police watchdog the Independent Police Complaints Commission confirmed it had begun an investigation into Monday's incident. Tests are due to be carried out into how Michael died.

The dead man - who was known as Jake - had been with his family and is believed to have dialled 999 himself over a threat made to him when police arrived at the semi-detached home at 5pm.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029173/Jacob-Michael-dies-pepper-sprayed-arrested-ELEVEN-officers.html#ixzz1iPAh0hYs
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Not a new story I know, but they're still cunts.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Quite. It may have "independent" in it's name, but not in it's practices. You say "see Duggan, I say "and many hundreds more". :(
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TBH I was prepared to give the IPCC the benefit of the doubt until I had a look at some of their reports

Indeed the officers were so focused that they not only ignored the warning from Mr Ogboru, but those of the observers around them

'focused' Is not the word I would use if I killed someone by positional asphixia, incompetent, panicked, uncaring but not 'focused'
 
coley said:
TBH I was prepared to give the IPCC the benefit of the doubt until I had a look at some of their reports

Indeed the officers were so focused that they not only ignored the warning from Mr Ogboru, but those of the observers around them

'focused' Is not the word I would use if I killed someone by positional asphixia, incompetent, panicked, uncaring but not 'focused'
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Unfortunately even when they're supposedly independent, they're so establishment-biased that the above sort of result is commonplace. The last IPPC investigation I can recall bing reported as halfway competently-conducted was when that middle-class barrister who was waving a gun around in his family home was shot by a CO19-wallah.
 
They are worse than useless coley- I wasn't just rubbishing them out of hand. I did a deal of reading about the org in the immediate aftermath of Ian Tomlinsons manslaughter
 
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DotCommunist said:
They are worse than useless coley- I wasn't just rubbishing them out of hand. I did a deal of reading about the org in the immediate aftermath of Ian Tomlinsons manslaughter
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Just basing my perceptions on the Raul Moat investigation, seems the Met are on a different planet to other police forces
 
Nope. Hampshire are just as bad IMO, just not as high profile. When six coppers drag me out of my bed in the middle of the night for being assaulted, I can believe that they're doing their best on faulty info. When they start urging me to confess to stuff that it's fucking obvious isn't mine, I think they're corrupt cunts with no interest in truth or 'justice' whatsoever. I genuinely believe that I'd have ended up with a conviction and probably a sentence if it wasn't for one much older copper that was with them and told them to settle down and fucking behave.
 
Corax said:
Nope. Hampshire are just as bad IMO, just not as high profile. When six coppers drag me out of my bed in the middle of the night for being assaulted, I can believe that they're doing their best on faulty info. When they start urging me to confess to stuff that it's fucking obvious isn't mine, I think they're corrupt cunts with no interest in truth or 'justice' whatsoever. I genuinely believe that I'd have ended up with a conviction and probably a sentence if it wasn't for one much older copper that was with them and told them to settle down and fucking behave.
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Did you follow it up or compain?
 
coley said:
Did you follow it up or compain?
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Nope. Like most people (I guess), I was shaken up and relieved to be let go without charge, and just wanted to put it all behind me. I know that's not the right response in the grand scheme of things, but for someone who'd never spent a night in a cell before (and a deal younger and in some ways less confident than I am now) I think it's understandable. And I'd think that they get away with a hell of a lot of the same kind of shit for just that reason.
 
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Corax said:
Nope. Like most people (I guess), I was shaken up and relieved to be let go without charge, and just wanted to put it all behind me. I know that's not the right response in the grand scheme of things, but for someone who'd never spent a night in a cell before (and a deal younger and in some ways less confident than I am now) I think it's understandable. And I'd think that they get away with a hell of a lot of the same kind of shit for just that reason.
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I just wonder why so many people take the shyte that is reported on here, they are nowt to be frightened of.
 
coley said:
I just wonder why so many people take the shyte that is reported on here, they are nowt to be frightened of.
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Perhaps because a lot us here have been involved in direct action, anti-fascism, protests, etc. so our dealings with them hasn't exactly always been positive.
 
Reminds me of the copper who called me a 'shouty bitch' whilst threatening to nick me for sweet fa when I was on a protest some years ago :rolleyes:

That's about the worst I've ever experienced myself fortunately, but seen some fucking shitty moves pulled by them on mates - and plenty of urbs know all too well what they're like.
 
The police can be intimidating and frightening. Some years ago I was interviewed by the police as a witness and they kept on at me for hour, saying I was lying and that I would be done for perjury and why had I made everything up? I got off lightly compared to some but it was very scary.

And it was shown months later, that I was telling the truth, did I get an apology? Did I fuck.

Luckily, other dealings with the police have been more positive, but some of them shouldn't be in the force the way the behave.
 
coley said:
I just wonder why so many people take the shyte that is reported on here, they are nowt to be frightened of.
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It's by no means unknown for people who've made complaints to claim that they've subsequently been harassed by way of retaliation, usually within the letter of the law, but still to the point of real distress, by colleagues of whichever cop they've complained about.

People who are familiar with such cases might very well be deterred by the idea of being persistently stopped, harassed and provoked with a view to trumping up some charges.
 
I agree with a lot of what's been said here and I'd be angry too if I'd been in EG's position, but the sad fact is that some people do lie under questioning - the guy who hit me last month openly boasted that he was going to say it was self-defence and I'd hit him first, when in fact it was no such thing; the only physical contact was from his side. The police have to take the fact that people do this into account. It's unfortunately a case of the innocent suffering suspicion because of the guilty.
 
coley said:
Short for lumpenproletariat. A catch-all term used primarily by self-styled Marxists to describe people "below" the proletariat. The lumpen include all people who might belong to the working class, if they worked. The unemployed, disabled, prisoners, and homeless are all part of the lumpen.

I can live with that
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since when have people any of these categories been considered lumpem coley?
 
Meltingpot said:
I agree with a lot of what's been said here and I'd be angry too if I'd been in EG's position, but the sad fact is that some people do lie under questioning - the guy who hit me last month openly boasted that he was going to say it was self-defence and I'd hit him first, when in fact it was no such thing; the only physical contact was from his side. The police have to take the fact that people do this into account. It's unfortunately a case of the innocent suffering suspicion because of the guilty.
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why did he hit you?
 
equationgirl said:
The police can be intimidating and frightening. Some years ago I was interviewed by the police as a witness and they kept on at me for hour, saying I was lying and that I would be done for perjury and why had I made everything up? I got off lightly compared to some but it was very scary.

And it was shown months later, that I was telling the truth, did I get an apology? Did I fuck.

Luckily, other dealings with the police have been more positive, but some of them shouldn't be in the force the way the behave.
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i've been interviewed by the police as a witness and to be fair they were fine. the case - gbh - got to court and then one of the victims fucked it up because he was mental.
 
coley said:
Short for lumpenproletariat. A catch-all term used primarily by self-styled Marxists to describe people "below" the proletariat. The lumpen include all people who might belong to the working class, if they worked. The unemployed, disabled, prisoners, and homeless are all part of the lumpen.

I can live with that
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From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat) :

'In The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (1852), Marx refers to the lumpenproletariat as the "refuse of all classes", including "swindlers, confidence tricksters, brothel-keepers, rag-and-bone merchants, beggars, and other flotsam of society". '

Not quite the 'definition' you provided, coley. Lumpenproletariat is a german word literally meaning 'rogue proletarian'.

There is also 'Lumpenbourgeoisie' (mainly used in Latin America, but has been used in Europe) describing 'a type of a middle class[1] and upper class[3] (merchants, lawyers, industrialists, etc.)[4]; one that has little collective self-awareness or economic base[1] and who supports the colonial masters.[1][3]'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenbourgeoisie
 
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