has there ever been a lamer labour leader than ed miliband?

[butchersapron]

No, of course not. It's to discipline the unions within labour - both knowing they are going nowhere.

 

[The Pale King]

An opportunity nonetheless?

 

[butchersapron]

For who? To do what?

 

[treelover]

Didn't Blair initiate a join the L/P for a pound in his early leadership days, where was the commitment in that?, Watts is a disgusting creature as is Wintour, in fact its increasingly hard to name more than a couple of decent guardian journalists.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah and miliband was filmed endorsing the union pay for you for a year membership with usdaw. What's your point? My point that this is rubbish - labour will continue get union funding, pressure will be pressed (that's the point of this) to do what the labour leadership want.

 

[The Pale King]

For who? To do what?

For us. To destroy Labour. ?

 

[butchersapron]

For us. To destroy Labour. ?

What's the opportunity?

 

[The Pale King]

Dunno really mate. Just thinking out loud I suppose. It just seems that if Labour formally detatches itself from the unions, that's it, you know? It's just a middle class party of think tank technocrats with no social base. That leaves a space to fill, but I don't know what would fill it. A Syriza or New Anti-Capitalist type party?

 

[J Ed]

Trade unions of Britain, you have nothing to lose but your spads!

 

[thedockerslad]

That Welsh cunt Kinnock (and his wife) was as lame as they come. Never forgiven for destroying some working class aspirations that went well beyond the labour party.

 

[butchersapron]

Dunno really mate. Just thinking out loud I suppose. It just seems that if Labour formally detatches itself from the unions, that's it, you know? It's just a middle class party of think tank technocrats with no social base. That leaves a space to fill, but I don't know what would fill it. A Syriza or New Anti-Capitalist type party?

But it's not going to happen.

 

[butchersapron]

That Welsh cunt Kinnock (and his wife) was as lame as they come. Never forgiven for destroying some working class aspirations that went well beyond the labour party.

I like the way you use what you think signifies working classness (crude racism and willingness to swear) with some politics stuff that on pushing, means nothing, means fuck all.

 

[thedockerslad]

I like the way you use what you think signifies working classness (crude racism and willingness to swear) with some politics stuff that on pushing, means nothing, means fuck all.

Were you born middle class or is it something you have learnt?

 

[The Pale King]

But it's not going to happen.

Not with that attitude it won't!

 

[butchersapron]

Were you born middle class or is it something you have learnt?

Well, i'm not middle class and haven't ever been. How you going next with your class identification machine? You patented it yet you pathetic little leaf? Is that all you have? How are you going to attract anyone with this? Do you want some sparking up lessons? Put some pep into your worthless hate?

 

[butchersapron]

Not with that attitude it won't!

Maybe dockerslad can do a morning session on being proper fucking working class?

 

[butchersapron]

Were you born middle class or is it something you have learnt?

There's nothing wrong with being middle class btw

 

[thedockerslad]

Well, i'm not middle class and haven't ever been. How you going next with your class identification machine? You patented it yet you pathetic little leaf? Is that all you have? How are you going to attract anyone with this? Do you want some sparking up lessons? Put some pep into your worthless hate?

Oh yes you are. You've adopted their language and methods of operation. Maybe you don't realise but I think you do

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

No.

Next question.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh yes you are. You've adopted their language and methods of operation. Maybe you don't realise but I think you do

These being? I think you're trapped in a 70s idea of what being w/c is. An identity.

 

[youngian]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/05/ed-miliband-trade-unions
Wow.

What exactly would the point in Labour's existence be if it is not a party of organised labour. They might as well merge with the Lib Dems and become a two party corporate clientist state like America.

 

[thedockerslad]

There's nothing wrong with being middle class btw

.

 

[butchersapron]

.

What is your point?

 

[Frances Lengel]

Oh yes you are. You've adopted their language and methods of operation. Maybe you don't realise but I think you do

Whether or not old butchers is middle class (which I don't think he is btw), fuckin pose somethin. Coz we're all dyin to hear it. Send a ship my way that I can nail my colours to it's mast. Other than that I'll conclude the war's bin lost and all I can do is drink mesen stupid and treat meself occasionally to a couple of items.

 

[thedockerslad]

What is your point?

As you know my point will follow you around and make itself known when you are least expecting it

 

[butchersapron]

As you know my point will follow you around and make itself known when you are least expecting it

Like some old man dorian grey/new sherlock holmes sniper red point?

 

[Frances Lengel]

As you know my point will follow you around and make itself known when you are least expecting it

Has butchers got a teddy boy quiff? You'll miss him with your target if he has - You'll shoot his barnet through whilst missing his head altogether. What if he's one of those wurzels who got on the casual bandwagon a bit late and now sports a twenty years out of date perry boy flick? You're gonna miss aren't you? Again.

 

[ViolentPanda]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/05/ed-miliband-trade-unions





Wow.

This is Milipede (or his advisors) putting a positive spin on the Falkirk fiasco in order to negate Cameron's party-funding bollocks of a couple of months ago, while also giving the big nod to Progress.
So, another supposedly "left" Labour leader shows his true direction.

 

[ViolentPanda]

'Made no decision' - do what i want len. Unite have nowhere to go. That's it. The whole shabby deal and i expect articul8 to resign over the weekend.

Naughty, naughty!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Was it Blair who said that the way to lead the Labour Party to electoral victory was to wage unceasing war on the unions?

Yup, although apocryphally the first draft read something along the lines of "be seen to wage unceasing war..", which does seem to reflect Blair's character somewhat more accurately