Has the Queen died?

[billy_bob]

Recent Public Order Bill basically facilitates plod arresting people for any public statement or behaviour they happen to not like.

bills don't do anything of the sort. you cannot be arrested under any bill in this country. acts on the other hand...

Sorry - I ran together two bits of information. The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act is already passed into law and increases the CJS's public order powers substantially already. Some of the more outrageous proposed parts of it were struck down by the House of Lords but the govt is now attempting to push them through in the Public Order Bill.

 

[brogdale]

 

[marty21]

20 hour queuing to file past the coffin ?

Potential for a pensioner side hustle , queuing up for people who can't be arsed queuing but want to do their duty. What would be a reasonable charge ? I'll see if Mrs21 is up for it *






*I can confidently predict that she fucking won't be.

 

[bmd]

Is she actually in it?

 

[bmd]

David Craig?

David, Craig.

 

[prunus]

Queueing for “many hours, possibly overnight, with little chance to sit or rest” plus “airport style security”.

Surely that’s a massive “fuck that” for most people? Surely?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Just seen the route. Fucking hell, fuck that.

 

[prunus]

Just seen the route. Fucking hell, fuck that.

Ah, good, there’s one.

I’ll keep count.

 

[Petcha]

People now being requested to stop laying out marmalade sandwiches with their flowers. And waits are expected to be up to 30 hours to see the coffin. Fucking hell... people are weird. I'm flying out on Wednesday, not having any more of this. People will actually die in that queue. Cameras are banned too so you can't even get the souvenir pic.

 

[brogdale]

Un dead?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Ah, good, there’s one.

I’ll keep count.

Wasn't planning on going anyway so don't think it counts.

Main thing is I can get to work Thursday, routes the other side of the river

 

[brogdale]

(vaguely) half-heard some guff on the radio about not coming in to London as it will be full or some such.

Sounds like they're softening us up for the pre-crime arrests at stations of those not dressed 'right' for the event.

 

[prunus]

Wasn't planning on going anyway so don't think it counts.

Main thing is I can get to work Thursday, routes the other side of the river

Dammit. Have to start again.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Dammit. Have to start again.

Good luck, I’m sure you’ll lose count of the sheer number of urban members trudging to the coffin

 

[Petcha]

I tell you what. Where the hell is Mick Lynch. This would be the perfect time for a strike.

 

[kenny g]

Is she actually in it?

Of course not.

 

[bmd]

Of course not.

So what's the point then?

 

[prunus]

Good luck, I’m sure you’ll lose count of the sheer number of urban members trudging to the coffin

I have pencil and squared paper at the ready.

 

[TopCat]

The police did pre emptive arrests for some royal do in the past. Was it Diana funeral? A few payouts I believe.

 

[Artaxerxes]

So what's the point then?

Theatre

 

[bmd]

It's weird.

 

[platinumsage]

Perhaps the coffin will be dropped and revealed to be empty because the Queen is still alive, in a kind of reverse warming-pan scandal.

 

[kenny g]

The police did pre emptive arrests for some royal do in the past. Was it Diana funeral? A few payouts I believe.

They arrested a stack of folks on a Ma'm event years ago and bunged them on a bus. Mass payouts followed. Most recent was Williams wedding where the Radical Anthropology Group academic and buddies were arrested. Didn't get any payout. As they were talking about throwing maggots into crowds that seems pretty reasonable when you consider the risk of stampedes/ crowd surges/ mass panics causing fatalities. I don't think the protesters had considered those aspects when releasing their pre event leaflets.

Some of the footage on the day of other protestors being roughed up by plain clothes coppers is pretty intense. One being a guy in Soho Square playing we all live in a fascist regime on his guitar being dragged out of the square.

 

[Pickman's model]

The police did pre emptive arrests for some royal do in the past. Was it Diana funeral? A few payouts I believe.

they did pre-emptive arrests for the marriage of the new prince of wales, some arty types in soho square and an unfortunate anarchist just down in the west end. but the arty types wanted a judicial review and this went the wrong way. so even though the case went to europe there was no payout then. in 2001 there were arrests after a m'am do the day of the golden jubilee where quite a few people were swept up in a wetherspoon's - they later got £3.5k each. i missed out because a girl i was with had a dog with her - which wasn't allowed in wetherspoon's. the most expensive dog of my acquaintance.

 

[Pickman's model]

They arrested a stack of folks on a Ma'm event years ago and bunged them on a bus. Mass payouts followed. Most recent was Williams wedding where the Radio Anthropology Group academic and buddies were arrested. Didn't get any payout. As they were talking about throwing maggots into crowds that seems pretty reasonable when you consider the risk of stampedes/ crowd surges/ mass panics causing fatalities. I don't think the protesters had considered those aspects when releasing their pre event leaflets.

Some of the footage on the day of other protestors being roughed up by plain clothes coppers is pretty intense. One being a guy in Soho Square playing we all live in a fascist regime on his guitar being dragged out of the square.

yeh they would have got a payout if they'd sued but they went for a jr

 

[Idris2002]

They arrested a stack of folks on a Ma'm event years ago and bunged them on a bus. Mass payouts followed. Most recent was Williams wedding where the Radical Anthropology Group academic and buddies were arrested. Didn't get any payout. As they were talking about throwing maggots into crowds that seems pretty reasonable when you consider the risk of stampedes/ crowd surges/ mass panics causing fatalities. I don't think the protesters had considered those aspects when releasing their pre event leaflets.

Some of the footage on the day of other protestors being roughed up by plain clothes coppers is pretty intense. One being a guy in Soho Square playing we all live in a fascist regime on his guitar being dragged out of the square.

Didn't Chris Knight (the Rad Anthro guy) lose his pension over that one? That's what I remember anyway.

 

[kenny g]

yeh they would have got a payout if they'd sued but the went for a jr

Aha. The law on grounds for arrest being a lot clearer than JR's. Sounds like some lawyers trying to over extend rather than just get a result.

Didn't Chris Knight (the Rad Anthro guy) lose his pension over that one? That's what I remember anyway.

Got dismissed didn't know about the pension. If so that seems harsh.

ETA according to wiki now at UCL.

 

[Pickman's model]

Aha. The law on grounds for arrest being a lot clearer than JR's. Sounds like some lawyers trying to over extend rather than just get a result.

as anyone who was at fairford in 2003 knows, you only need a few people to opt for a judicial review to trump other people's rights to simply sue the police. but it is the clients, the people who opt for jr, i blame, not the lawyers who while they have a vested interest (more money and a spot of legal fame) in a jr don't make the actual decision on how to proceed.

 

[Idris2002]

Aha. The law on grounds for arrest being a lot clearer than JR's. Sounds like some lawyers trying to over extend rather than just get a result.

Got dismissed didn't know about the pension. If so that seems harsh.

ETA according to wiki now at UCL.

Googling doesn't bring anything up, so I may have misremembered that one.

 

[gosub]

Yes, and now unlike you I know who the monarch is.

suppose you are going to be utterly selfish and keep it secret. That's not very community spirited