Hardcore Speaker Porn

[sherriff rosco]

Ah, the infra-horns.. some serious bass can come out of those

Some serious one note sub...only. I have used F1 enough before and those things are just too big and not really that good?
Stick with the new 21`s under the Res5`s and leave them at home ( better still sell em!)

.p.

 

[hipipol]

yeah fuck you all and suck on this

I have heard these
Superb beyond belief
I want some
The neighbours opinions obviously have lttle resonance compared to the bowel shaking gutspressure of true sonic terror
Respect

 

[BigTom]

Some serious one note sub...only. I have used F1 enough before and those things are just too big and not really that good?
Stick with the new 21`s under the Res5`s and leave them at home ( better still sell em!)

.p.

They sound good at trigger, but then Neil is a seriously obsessed man and used 2x infra horns centrally alongside 3 or 4 other bass bins (I can't remember what model they were, could have been the 21s) under res 5s on the stacks.
He also spent at least a day setting them up and engineering them..
and the music they play at trigger is a bit different to a lot of music, I can't imagine these working with house or techno, but with the bass led breaks and weird dubstepish stuff they'd have on their, it was definitely an improvement over the pre-infra horn setup.

otoh, I don't have a sound engineer's ears, and shouldn't be listened to above Rosco, bees and other engineers

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

It's been ages since I heard an F1 rig sounding good. Since they became the fashionable dance system people have just been chucking them at everything, I've seen them setup by people who clearly haven't got a clue what they're doing, never mind with the knowledge to use smaart and a system processor.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Some serious one note sub...only. I have used F1 enough before and those things are just too big and not really that good?
Stick with the new 21`s under the Res5`s and leave them at home ( better still sell em!)

.p.

Or get a bunch of D&B J-Infras instead

 

[Firky]

It's been ages since I heard an F1 rig sounding good. Since they became the fashionable dance system people have just been chucking them at everything, I've seen them setup by people who clearly haven't got a clue what they're doing, never mind with the knowledge to use smaart and a system processor.

Is there a set of pre-defined measures, a sort of base-line of what determines when a rig sounds good or is it more a skill / art / opinion of the sound engineer? I ask because I've been to gigs, festivals and events where I thought the sound was one or way or another, just for others to disagree with me one way or another.

Massive lumping-it-all-together-examples you may have also heard:

Ministry of Sound: 10+ years ago when I first went it was amazing, last time I was there it sounded average.

Glastonbury's main stage: Maybe I am going deaf with age but I swear it used to better, the last few years it's sounded dreadful.

Break-Neck & Valve Soundsystem: Easily one of the best I've heard, in fact I heard it rumoured they had to turn it down a touch as it was effecting the metal super-structure of the building.

Now that I type it out, I guess it's all down to the environment the gig is at, humidity, area to be filled with sound blah blah. But still I'd have thought there was a base-line of when everything is sweet, a golden ratio, a Pi of sound.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

As a system tech the main goal in setting up a system is consistency - I want everyone in an arena to hear the the same show, no matter where they are. This is the basis of what I would call good sound. This is achieved through a combination of the physical positioning of the speakers (especially crucial for subs*), the use of delays to align the stacks and fills and EQ curves applied to the various sections.

To do this properly requires a high quality measurement microphone and analysis software such as Smaart.



*the traditional L-R stacks of subs is one of the worst things to do, due to the "power alley" effect it creates.

 

[sim667]

They sound good at trigger, but then Neil is a seriously obsessed man and used 2x infra horns centrally alongside 3 or 4 other bass bins (I can't remember what model they were, could have been the 21s) under res 5s on the stacks.
He also spent at least a day setting them up and engineering them..
and the music they play at trigger is a bit different to a lot of music, I can't imagine these working with house or techno, but with the bass led breaks and weird dubstepish stuff they'd have on their, it was definitely an improvement over the pre-infra horn setup.

otoh, I don't have a sound engineer's ears, and shouldn't be listened to above Rosco, bees and other engineers

I meant I think we've got the same ones as pictured I meant.

The guy who's paid out for them reckons he can set them up well and he's very anal about that sort of thing. He's been for a bit of a tutorial with the f1 guys as well as we live about 10 mins away from their factory.

Im looking forward to hearing it for the first time, we just need to find a venue for now

 

[Firky]

As a system tech the main goal in setting up a system is consistency - I want everyone in an arena to hear the the same show, no matter where they are. This is the basis of what I would call good sound. This is achieved through a combination of the physical positioning of the speakers (especially crucial for subs*), the use of delays to align the stacks and fills and EQ curves applied to the various sections.

To do this properly requires a high quality measurement microphone and analysis software such as Smaart.



*the traditional L-R stacks of subs is one of the worst things to do, due to the "power alley" effect it creates.

Cheers, bees.

 

[ska invita]

 

[sim667]

Probably the most expensive sitting room furniture you can get

 

[ska invita]

 

[skyscraper101]

 

[Firky]

That is why I made this thread nearly ten years ago ^^^^


*drool*

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

That last pic is from the set of the new mad max film IIRC.

 

[pesh]

the post apocalyptic future doesn't look all bad.

 

[Firky]

the post apocalyptic future doesn't look all bad.

Tina Turner?

 

[pesh]

it's true, the apocalypse was hard on Grace Jones.

 

[sim667]

Every speaker in the f1 lineup inc a in development bassbin (bottom right)


My housemates freinds played on this an outlook. He reckons it the loudest thing he's ever played on. £1500 to rent for a night

 

[chemn]

I know the guys who run that rig. Void is awesome stuff

 

[pesh]

that rig was hoofing it out

the MCs were a bit tedious, '50K of bass', ' is there enough bass' 'biggest bass in the world' 'can you feel the bass' and so on for 4 days.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Got to do sound on a void rig once, the hirer had been well overcautious with his limiter settings, so was a bit disappointed underwhelmed.

 

[nastybobby]

Interesting Funktion One interview on youtube:

 

[ska invita]

How do people feel about Funktion ONe?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

How do people feel about Funktion ONe?

They're great speakers, but they've just become this fashionable thing in the dance scene, so loads of people who haven't got a clue how to setup large systems promptly rushed out and bought them. The result is a lot of F1 rigs that sound like garbage.

 

[ska invita]

They're great speakers, but they've just become this fashionable thing in the dance scene, so loads of people who haven't got a clue how to setup large systems promptly rushed out and bought them. The result is a lot of F1 rigs that sound like garbage.

is that it do you reckon - what are people doing wrong? My experience of F1s is pretty noisy and brash...

In the early 90s it was all Eskimo Noise as far as the eye could see...I was too lean to tell you if it they were any good though...no complaints then but i was easier to please

 

[pesh]

How do people feel about Funktion ONe?

when they're setup correctly they can sound OK, but 90% of the time they sound fucking horrible to me. WTF is going on with the top end?

i remember standing in the middle of the Pyromid stage at Glade this year and wondering how they'd managed to install that much PA and still make it sound like the sort of system you get in a Yates Wine Lodge.

 

[Moronik]

I dunno, I'm not really a fan of flat sounding music.... it just sounds.... well... flat, to me. Personally I like music you can't ignore, sound off Funktion 1 seems a bit unobtrusive to me.

Listening to it, it sounds lovely. But I'm feeling it with my head, not my body if you get what I mean. I think its good for certain kinds of music and in certain rooms, but other times ive thought it wasn't punchy enough.

I've seen that interview above before. I really like it and massive respect to the guy.

 

[ringo]

I'm in two minds about listening to (analogue) reggae on the Funktions. At first I used to be pleased because at least you could be gauranteed some powerful bass, but over time it became clear that they push a very particular tone of bass which is almost but not quite right for reggae and tends to make every bass line sound like it was played on the same bass guitar. Quite happy to listen to jungle and other electronic music on them though.

The top end is generally OK but not crisp and sharp enough for reggae.

 

[Firky]

I am a cloth eared Terry but even to me the F1s sound shite.