Hackney chitter-chatter &tc

[marty21]

Apart from the actual advertisement board, what has made locals mad I understand is that it's for junk food and not a very good thing for being on the wall by the school
I wonder who owns the building, it won't be the charity shop or, I doubt, any of the people living in the flats above.

It wasn't there this morning when I walked past .

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Seen on my morning walk:

 

[marty21]

Seen on my morning walk:

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I'll go down , still not entirely sure about the issues , but if it's a nice day , it will be a good thing to see & support.

 

[BillRiver]

Seen on my morning walk:

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Yes! I plan to go. My mate, who makes amazingly delish vegan cakes for a living and lives on a boat, is planning to set up a cake stall on the marshes opposite to give cake to all who support the protest.

 

[BillRiver]

I'll go down , still not entirely sure about the issues , but if it's a nice day , it will be a good thing to see & support.

What in particular are you not sure about? I'm no expert but I may be able to help? Or you can find out directly from boaters on the day of course.

If you do come down maybe we'll meet! I'll almost certainly be with my mate at her cake stall. Do come say hello if you fancy.

 

[blossie33]

It wasn't there this morning when I walked past .

Has it been taken down then?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Hi marty21 and BillRiver I will pop down myself I think.

 

[BillRiver]

Hi marty21 and BillRiver I will pop down myself I think.

Fab!

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes! I plan to go. My mate, who makes amazingly delish vegan cakes for a living and lives on a boat, is planning to set up a cake stall on the marshes opposite to give cake to all who support the protest.

free cake you say? well i'm in

 

[marty21]

What in particular are you not sure about? I'm no expert but I may be able to help? Or you can find out directly from boaters on the day of course.

If you do come down maybe we'll meet! I'll almost certainly be with my mate at her cake stall. Do come say hello if you fancy.

Will say hello ! I haven't looked into the issues closely tbf, something about getting rid of casual mooring ?

 

[marty21]

Has it been taken down then?

Yep , maybe it was just temporary , for Instagram, etc .

 

[BillRiver]

Will say hello ! I haven't looked into the issues closely tbf, something about getting rid of casual mooring ?

Sort of, although some might object to your use of the word casual there!

The posh and exclusive rowing club which contributes nothing to the area (not that I'm biased but!... comparison to the canoe club shows how it could be done, but isn't) have been pushing for years for a reduction in/removal of the continuous cruisers - people who live in their boats 24/7 all year round but do not have a permanent mooring.

People like my mates. They have to move every few weeks, and they're not hooked up to leccy, water, etc.

It's quite a positive community of people which I believe the area gains from having around.

They do have to pay for a continuous cruising license but it's less than the cost of a permanent mooring.

Permanent moorings are incredibly hard to get, very limited, with endlessly long waiting lists, and not cheap.

Many of the continuous cruisers are long term Hackney residents with roots in the area who have been priced out of the flats and houses.

Many have local jobs, family nearby, and/or kids in local schools. If they can't moor here it will have a massive and negative impact on their lives.

But the rowers complain that the presence of the continuous cruisers effectively narrows the river space they can row along.

 

[marty21]

Sort of, although some might object to your use of the word casual there!

The posh and exclusive rowing club which contributes nothing to the area (not that I'm biased but!... comparison to the canoe club shows how it could be done, but isn't) have been pushing for years for a reduction in/removal of the continuous cruisers - people who live in their boats 24/7 all year round but do not have a permanent mooring.

People like my mates. They have to move every few weeks, and they're not hooked up to leccy, water, etc.

It's quite a positive community of people which I believe the area gains from having around.

They do have to pay for a continuous cruising license but it's less than the cost of a permanent mooring.

Permanent moorings are incredibly hard to get, very limited, with endlessly long waiting lists, and not cheap.

Many of the continuous cruisers are long term Hackney residents with roots in the area who have been priced out of the flats and houses.

Many have local jobs, family nearby, and/or kids in local schools. If they can't moor here it will have a massive and negative impact on their lives.

But the rowers complain that the presence of the continuous cruisers effectively narrows the river space they can row along.

That's a good summary thank you . See you for cakes in a few weeks !

 

[blossie33]

Yep , maybe it was just temporary , for Instagram, etc .

Hmmm, alot of trouble for Instagram.
I was down in Stokey earlier so I had a quick look myself - I'm glad it's gone anyway!

 

[marty21]

Hmmm, alot of trouble for Instagram.
I was down in Stokey earlier so I had a quick look myself - I'm glad it's gone anyway!

Does seem a lot of trouble , maybe they got loads of complaints and had to take it down.

 

[blossie33]

Does seem a lot of trouble , maybe they got loads of complaints and had to take it down.

Yes I wondered that and if the school objected too on grounds it was inappropriate that should have helped.

 

[marty21]

Sort of, although some might object to your use of the word casual there!

The posh and exclusive rowing club which contributes nothing to the area (not that I'm biased but!... comparison to the canoe club shows how it could be done, but isn't) have been pushing for years for a reduction in/removal of the continuous cruisers - people who live in their boats 24/7 all year round but do not have a permanent mooring.

People like my mates. They have to move every few weeks, and they're not hooked up to leccy, water, etc.

It's quite a positive community of people which I believe the area gains from having around.

They do have to pay for a continuous cruising license but it's less than the cost of a permanent mooring.

Permanent moorings are incredibly hard to get, very limited, with endlessly long waiting lists, and not cheap.

Many of the continuous cruisers are long term Hackney residents with roots in the area who have been priced out of the flats and houses.

Many have local jobs, family nearby, and/or kids in local schools. If they can't moor here it will have a massive and negative impact on their lives.

But the rowers complain that the presence of the continuous cruisers effectively narrows the river space they can row along.

Just thinking about this, the river is pretty wide around there so it can't be that the moored barges are stopping them rowing . Is it barges getting in their way ? Could there be a no barges moving rule for a few hours every morning sort this out ?

 

[BillRiver]

Just thinking about this, the river is pretty wide around there so it can't be that the moored barges are stopping them rowing . Is it barges getting in their way ? Could there be a no barges moving rule for a few hours every morning sort this out ?

Of course. Although it has been claimed the moored boats are a problem even when not moving.

A certain subset of the (mostly) new to the area middle classes don't like the boaters full stop. Think they're scruffy, spoiling the view, the wrong sort of person, etc. Which I think is what it's really about.

 

[marty21]

Of course. Although it has been claimed the moored boats are a problem even when not moving.

A certain subset of the (mostly) new to the area middle classes don't like the boaters full stop. Think they're scruffy, spoiling the view, the wrong sort of person, etc. Which I think is what it's really about.

Those new m/c people are the wrong sort of people .

 

[Sue]

Not Hackney but know people here go to Walthamstow Wetlands so...

'Meanwhile, next month a family trail, aimed mostly at children, will lead visitors through the Walthamstow wetlands: they will be guided by Moomin footprints and cut-out figures; a Victorian engine house will be used to display photographs, taken by Tove’s brother, of the women in the cottage and outside on the island.'

How Tove Jansson’s love of nature shaped the world of the Moomins

The Finnish artist’s work was hugely influenced by her passion for the great outdoors – in particular the tiny island of Klovharun

www.theguardian.com

 

[BillRiver]

Not Hackney but know people here go to Walthamstow Wetlands so...

'Meanwhile, next month a family trail, aimed mostly at children, will lead visitors through the Walthamstow wetlands: they will be guided by Moomin footprints and cut-out figures; a Victorian engine house will be used to display photographs, taken by Tove’s brother, of the women in the cottage and outside on the island.'

How Tove Jansson’s love of nature shaped the world of the Moomins

The Finnish artist’s work was hugely influenced by her passion for the great outdoors – in particular the tiny island of Klovharun

www.theguardian.com

Yes, it's walking distance from my flat in Hackney, and I already have a plan to go see this!

 

[BillRiver]

Dp.

 

[GarveyLives]

Another institution that has failed in this sordid affair:

The Guardian hides slaver background of Robert Geffrey in article on museum rename

Seemingly unrepentant, the Museum of the Home (formerly The Geffrye Museum) face further protests against their continued glorification of Sir Robert Geffrye:

Diane Abbott to join 'Geffrye Must Fall' protest at museum reopening

 

[kalidarkone]

So I went to Hackney for a drink last night Kingsland High Street. I haven't been there in 15+ years.
For some reason I felt wildly excited walking from the station....so much busier then I remember really vibrant I really enjoyed being there.

Hackney or that particular part of Hackney, more then anywhere else I have been in London demonstrates that huge gulf between edgy bohemian Middle classes and absolutely desperate, poor very unwell people, some fairly young. That somewhat distressed me. I say that having been homeless my self as a youngster and then working with rough sleepers for 20 years....not much can shock me these days....but this felt and looked to me like another level of unwellness and poverty....emaciated people

All the usual old shops plus so many restaurants and coffee bars...thats new to me.
And a hotel in the middle of it all- wtf! I was quite blown away by the chaos. In amongst that I felt a friendly warm atmosphere too.

I feel quite strongly I would like to return.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

kalidarkone glad you had a good time!

It is a real mixed bag as you say. I was out late in Dalston on Tuesday. on the way home it was remarkable how many desperate people there were - hardly anyone else was about at 11:30…

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Also a reminder about this on Sunday which I will probably be at.

Sounds like they are planning bands on boats and food stalls?


Will swing by the Geffrye/Museum of the Home thing tomorrow too, but it seems very SWP dominated so might be a brief visit.

 

[kalidarkone]

kalidarkone glad you had a good time!

It is a real mixed bag as you say. I was out late in Dalston on Tuesday. on the way home it was remarkable how many desperate people there were - hardly anyone else was about at 11:30…

Thanks x

 

[BillRiver]

Seemingly unrepentant, the Museum of the Home (formerly The Geffrye Museum) face further protests against their continued glorification of Sir Robert Geffrye:

Diane Abbott to join 'Geffrye Must Fall' protest at museum reopening

It's not about being "unrepentant" so much as Oliver Dowden telling them that if they remove it they will lose all government funding. That would mean they'd have to close. End of museum.

Prior to him getting involved the museum had initiated a public consultation on the matter, and we the Hackney public told them in no uncertain terms we wanted it gone. I believe they would have removed it, were it not for Dowden's threats. They did drop Geffrye's name from the name of the museum, but then Dowden intervened.

They describe retaining it, in the article you linked to from Hackney Citizen, as "the only practical option for the foreseeable option" because of his threats, because of the position he has put them in.

I am furious about this, but not so much at the museum trustees, more at our government - and Dowden in particular.

 

[BillRiver]

Also a reminder about this on Sunday which I will probably be at. View attachment 272952

Sounds like they are planning bands on boats and food stalls?


Will swing by the Geffrye/Museum of the Home thing tomorrow too, but it seems very SWP dominated so might be a brief visit.

Yes, it is to be a "festival of boater culture" and I am really looking forward to it!

Lots more info here:

Join London’s boaters in Hackney on 13th June to defend the right to moor – National Bargee Travellers Association

"The protest will bring boaters from all over London and beyond, to resist the displacement of boaters and to protect their homes.
A ‘towpath protest’ of boaters on foot and canal wanderers alike will gather at Walthamstow Marshes before following in the flotilla’s wake to Hackney Wick, raising awareness of the Canal and River Trust’s discriminatory policy changes, and how they threaten people’s livelihoods. Towpath users can chat to boaters stationed on the towpath to find out more about the restrictions and the campaign to resist them, before heading back to Walthamstow Marshes for the conclusion of the protest with speeches and entertainment in the form of a circus show, children’s activities and live music."

 

[spitfire]

I'd like to go to the demo tomorrow but not sure if I can make it. Hopefully a good turn out and more power to their elbows. Any idea of Hackney Wick arrival time?

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