Greek elections

[hipipol]

Why? You'd spend it, and then be redistributing it to other Greek people, putting in their hands. Tourists wont hoard the cash, not try and take significant amounts out of the country. Refusing to spend cash would simply mean there was less cash in circulation.


Meanwhile, Serbia are imposing limitations on their Greek owned banks. Greeks own about 20% of the banking system in the old Yugosalvia, apparently, so it could have very significant knock on effects there.

I would be tempted/compelled simply to give it away
PS Thought you had me on ignore?

 

[belboid]

I would be tempted/compelled simply to give it away
PS Thought you had me on ignore?

aah, bless.

And, no, that was someone else, and you were just far too pissed to tell who was who.

 

[belboid]

Meanwhile Juncker is lying has arse off, while admitting that this is an In/Out vote of the Euro. He's trying to claim that they never demanded any cuts to pensions! Even the journo's seem surprised by his nonsense.

 

[brogdale]

Bullshit, the deadlines haven't moved and a referendum of a choice between two things that aren't possible isn't an exercise in democracy.
It could have been what you say, if they'd played it differently, as it is, its just another exercise in procrastination and buck passing. I'm not a fan of the EUro, but Tsipras ain't doing the Greeks any favours.

Hmmm...if the wording of the referendum remains unknown...how exactly are you in any position to make such an analysis? You think neo-liberal, consolidator (supra) state 'capitalism' is compatible with democracy?

 

[brogdale]

Meanwhile Junker is lying has arse off, while admitting that this is an In/Out vote of the Euro. He's trying to claim that they never demanded any cuts to pensions! Even the journo's seem surprised by his nonsense.

 

[brogdale]

 

[brogdale]

The very definition of 'gloves off'...

[QUOTE
.....his comments on the referendum are jaw-dropping: telling Greeks to vote Yes in Sunday’s referendum is one thing, but warning “not to commit suicide for fear of death” is another level altogether.

And he has raised the stakes in Sunday’s referendum to the highest level possible, by warning that “the whole planet” will see a no vote as a declaration that Greece wants to leave Europe.
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Crass comment about suicide...cunt of the first order
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[gosub]

Meanwhile Junker is lying has arse off, while admitting that this is an In/Out vote of the Euro. He's trying to claim that they never demanded any cuts to pensions! Even the journo's seem surprised by his nonsense.

Pensions bit is bullshit, but Greek finance minister railed against the French and Germans at their last meeting when they told him it would ostensibly be in/out EUro referendum.

 

[Idris2002]

Meanwhile on my facebook page, an Irish petit-bourgeois is denouncing the Greeks for being a "millstone around our necks", an Hungarian is clingingly desperately to his cargo-cult neoliberalism, and a German academic has been reduced to quoting Hannah Arendt.

I drink their tears, relishing the salty goodness.

 

[belboid]

"You shouldn't commit suicide because you fear death" - Juncker says.

The Greek suicide rate has risen 35% over the last four years.

 

[DotCommunist]

that would be hilarious if it wasn't such obvious stupidity. The KKE really are wankers

they've continually acted the shithouse outfit from the start of greek financial to right now. What the fuck do they want.

 

[belboid]

What the fuck do they want.

Uncle Joe

 

[trabant]

You should not commit suicide because you're afraid of death

Thats not going to go down well since the huge spike in suicides in the last few years. Maybe someone should remind him that there have been suicides on Syntagma square, just in case he has any doubts as to why..

 

[Idris2002]

"You shouldn't commit suicide because you fear death" - Juncker says.

The Greek suicide rate has risen 35% over the last four years.

These people.

 

[butchersapron]

That is unbelievable. Never forget Dimitris Christoulas:

"The Tsolakoglou government has annihilated all traces for my survival, which was based on a very dignified pension that I alone paid for 35 years with no help from the state. And since my advanced age does not allow me a way of dynamically reacting (although if a fellow Greek were to grab a Kalashnikov, I would be right behind him), I see no other solution than this dignified end to my life, so I don’t find myself fishing through garbage cans for my sustenance. I believe that young people with no future, will one day take up arms and hang the traitors of this country at Syntagma square, just like the Italians did to Mussolini in 1945"

 

[DotCommunist]

Uncle Joe

shit out of luck, his kind left the building some time ago.

 

[hipipol]

aah, bless.

And, no, that was someone else, and you were just far too pissed to tell who was who.

Hmm, its cheapshot time again eh?
really?
You neither know me nor are capable of understanding me
Yes I have done this before

 

[gosub]

Hmmm...if the wording of the referendum remains unknown...how exactly are you in any position to make such an analysis? You think neo-liberal, consolidator (supra) state 'capitalism' is compatible with democracy?

Giving people a viable choice inside a deliverable time frame, that would be democracy. As it is, by Sunday the real question (not the one printed on the ballot is "do you want all savings in Greek banks nullified, and all personal debt obligations sold to vulture funds?"
Its going to be a long week.

 

[belboid]

Hmm, its cheapshot time again eh?
really?
You neither know me nor are capable of understanding me
Yes I have done this before

1/4

 

[phildwyer]

40 years ago the military would have mounted a coup by now

Yes, and 140 years ago the troıka would have sent a gunboat by now. Postmodern coercıon ıs more subtle, but ıt remaıns to be see whether ıt ıs more effectıve.

 

[phildwyer]

If I were in Greece I would be too ashamed to take out more than people around me could withdraw

I'm goıng to Greece ın 4 days tıme, and wıll spend as much money as I can afford. Whıch aın't much, but every lıttle helps.

 

[Idris2002]

I'm goıng to Greece ın 4 days tıme, and wıll spend as much money as I can afford. Whıch aın't much, but every lıttle helps.

Sudden mental image of a deranged phildwyer roaming the streets of Athens, hurling coin hither and yon as he goes.

 

[gosub]

I wouldn't rule out a coup, if they miss that payment tomorrow, the only way banks can reopen is a Yes vote (and even then it would be after the new government had settled terms) . You don't pay soldiers cash in hand.

 

[gosub]

I'm goıng to Greece ın 4 days tıme, and wıll spend as much money as I can afford. Whıch aın't much, but every lıttle helps.

Don't rely on the cash points still being working by then,

 

[DotCommunist]

if this capital strike by the various banks is complicit in sending greece into complete meltdown, to the point where they are using localist improvised currencies and clearing houses- then thats your fucking eu. Bring on 2017, cos if they'll do it to them they'll do it to us. And don't imagine hamhead or the speshul relationship will save us. This is nothing more than an exercise in telling an electorate to fuck off and die. Literally. You voted wrong so now we strangle you like a crap darth vader.

the sheer inflexibility of the banks here has been breathtaking. They want to beggar greece so hard it never ever dares vote in a leftist government again.

 

[Diamond]

if this capital strike by the various banks is complicit in sending greece into complete meltdown, to the point where they are using localist improvised currencies and clearing houses- then thats your fucking eu. Bring on 2017, cos if they'll do it to them they'll do it to us. And don't imagine hamhead or the speshul relationship will save us. This is nothing more than an exercise in telling an electorate to fuck off and die. Literally. You voted wrong so now we strangle you like a crap darth vader.

the sheer inflexibility of the banks here has been breathtaking. They want to beggar greece so hard it never ever dares vote in a leftist government again.

That is total bollocks in extremis.

 

[Idris2002]

That is total bollocks in extremis.

I find your lack of faith. . . disturbing.

 

[Santino]

That is total bollocks in extremis.

'In extremis' doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[gosub]

Not really a capital strike, given all the withdrawals their liquidity ratios must be shot to bits. While Greece hasn't technically defaulted on its obligations its OK for ECB to keep filling the cashpoints, after... They are breaking their own laws. It's all very well the Greek government saying savings are safe but he needs European money to make that guarantee which he can't have if he won't agree terms.. In the meantime if the banks opened their doors or had their shares traded they'd be even more bust.

 

[Fedayn]

Meanwhile Juncker is lying has arse off, while admitting that this is an In/Out vote of the Euro. He's trying to claim that they never demanded any cuts to pensions! Even the journo's seem surprised by his nonsense.

The BBC are carrying his claims of betrayal uncritically....