Government running out prison space?

[Bingoman]

The Government have ask Police station for the use of upto 400 cells as the Government admits they have run out of prison space I don't think you could even make this up

Government runs out of prison places and has to ask police for 400 cells

Ministers confirm they have launched the Operation Safeguard contingency plan for the first time since 2007.

news.sky.com

 

[weltweit]

I wonder how crowded existing prisons are?

 

[pbsmooth]

this seems to be the first major issue for the new govt. perfect territory for the right-wing press to pile-in on Labour being soft as they let out prisoners. interesting to hear how it has deteriorated surprisingly quickly. wonder what the longer term solution will be.

UK politics latest: Thousands of inmates to be freed as minister says prisons 'on point of collapse'

Some prisoners will be released after serving 40% of their sentence in a move to increase capacity, the justice secretary announces.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Pickman's model]

this seems to be the first major issue for the new govt. perfect territory for the right-wing press to pile-in on Labour being soft as they let out prisoners. interesting to hear how it has deteriorated surprisingly quickly. wonder what the longer term solution will be.

UK politics latest: Thousands of inmates to be freed as minister says prisons 'on point of collapse'

Some prisoners will be released after serving 40% of their sentence in a move to increase capacity, the justice secretary announces.

www.bbc.co.uk

Defining the whole of the UK as a prison

 

[nottsgirl]

this seems to be the first major issue for the new govt. perfect territory for the right-wing press to pile-in on Labour being soft as they let out prisoners. interesting to hear how it has deteriorated surprisingly quickly. wonder what the longer term solution will be.

UK politics latest: Thousands of inmates to be freed as minister says prisons 'on point of collapse'

Some prisoners will be released after serving 40% of their sentence in a move to increase capacity, the justice secretary announces.

www.bbc.co.uk

I’m not sure about that. I haven’t heard the Tories stick the knife in yet because it’s pretty obvious they left the justice system especially prisons, in a shocking state.

 

[pbsmooth]

I’m not sure about that. I haven’t heard the Tories stick the knife in yet because it’s pretty obvious they left the justice system especially prisons, in a shocking state.

 

[DaveCinzano]

TOTAL SOCIETAL COLLAPSE IMMINENT!!1!1;

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

If true seems like a good time to schedule in some major riots protests.

 

[WouldBe]

They could use porta cabins as a temp measure.

 

[two sheds]

TOTAL SOCIETAL COLLAPSE IMMINENT!!1!1;

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At least they showed the key news that Ollie Watkins has a girlfriend

 

[Humberto]

The 'rebuttal' in the Mail there (senior Tory 'source') starts with, 'there are hundreds of prison places available', which is a pretty small and unspecific number. In context there are approx 95,000 prisoners in the UK.

 

[gentlegreen]

I was going to suggest Rwanda - the Fail reported Estonia...

There are just 651 spare places available in prisons across the whole of England and Wales, new figures reveal as ministers consider renting cells in Estonia​

By Rory Tingle, Home Affairs Correspondent For Mailonline

Published: 16:54, 6 October 2023 | Updated: 02:11, 7 October 2023

There are just 651 spaces available in prisons, figures reveal

There are currently 88,016 people in jail across England and Wales - the highest number in 12 years.

www.dailymail.co.uk

daily mail prison places - Google Search

www.google.com

 

[Humberto]

That's last year's number I gave above, seems to have come down somewhat this year. It's expected to rise by 7,000 between May and November this year according to this though:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

 

[Dogsauce]

There’s some sense in Labour doing stuff like this as early as possible, get it out of the way during the ‘honeymoon period’ also a good time to bury bad news with the football likely to dominate the news over the next few days. Blunts the attack of the RW press a bit.

 

[SpookyFrank]

There’s some sense in Labour doing stuff like this as early as possible, get it out of the way during the ‘honeymoon period’ also a good time to bury bad news with the football likely to dominate the news over the next few days. Blunts the attack of the RW press a bit.

They have little choice. It was stated a while ago that the start of July was the point at which the system was likely to become completely overwhelmed. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a key part of Sunak's reasoning for calling the election in the first place.

 

[Rob Ray]

Hah, didn't clock that the prison overcrowding crisis might dovetail with the workforce demographic crisis, but of course it does.

‘Huge talent pool’: UK aims to ease prison pressure by hiring former convicts

 

[Rob Ray]

Just as well I finished my column predicting Labour would have another go at the megaprisons farce on time, Starms is speed running his coalition cosplay.

Keir Starmer has said that more prisons will be built to manage overcrowding once the government gets its “hands on the planning laws”.

Just one more prison bro ...

 

[_Russ_]

I was going to suggest Rwanda - the Fail reported Estonia...


By Rory Tingle, Home Affairs Correspondent For Mailonline

Published: 16:54, 6 October 2023 | Updated: 02:11, 7 October 2023

There are just 651 spaces available in prisons, figures reveal

There are currently 88,016 people in jail across England and Wales - the highest number in 12 years.

www.dailymail.co.uk

daily mail prison places - Google Search

www.google.com

Apparently less than 100 now

Under 100 spaces in men's prisons in England and Wales

The government hopes that overcrowding will ease once new measures are brought in this September.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[_Russ_]

I've long believed Prisoners should be made to work unless disabilities prevent this, get them to build more prisons and fund the building from other profitable work they could be put to. I suppose someone will say that would violate their human rights or some other twaddle
Or that prison isnt about punishment

In context there are approx 95,000 prisoners

That could be a substantial workforce

 

[Rob Ray]

Sometimes I wonder if Russ is an actual bot. But then I remember people actually are just that thick sometimes and can go their whole lives thinking the Daily Mail is talking common sense.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

well, most prisoners do work or are in education of some sort, I think Russ needs to go and check for him/herself.

 

[_Russ_]

Sometimes I wonder if Russ is an actual bot. But then I remember people actually are just that thick sometimes and can go their whole lives thinking the Daily Mail is talking common sense.

I sometimes wonder if you can think for yourself. I don't think I've ever read the Daily mail.

Quite apart from the complete waste and strain on the rest of society to have to pay for a Prisoners keep, do you imagine that the current way prisoners are dealt with in UK prisones (Locked up for most of the day) is rehabilitation?...of course not but I imagine getting them to do work is tantamount to slavery in your set like concrete view of the oppressed and the oppressors
Instilling a work ethic and building skills is a way forward, bonus you get some actual benefit to society as a whole.

 

[_Russ_]

well, most prisoners do work or are in education of some sort, I think Russ needs to go and check for him/herself.

You've not done a spell I take it.

 

[Rob Ray]

I sometimes wonder if you can think for yourself. I don't think I've ever read the Daily mail.

Quite apart from the complete waste and strain on the rest of society to have to pay for a Prisoners keep, do you imagine that the current way prisoners are dealt with in UK prisones (Locked up for most of the day) is rehabilitation?...of course not but I imagine getting them to do work is tantamount to slavery in your set like concrete view of the oppressed and the oppressors
Instilling a work ethic and building skills is a way forward, bonus you get some actual benefit to society as a whole.

But you don't want rehabilitation. As you note, what you want is to use them as a indentured labour force (which is basically the reverse of rehabilitation, instilling nothing but resentment and a sense of greivance). You have no vision for what happens when they come out. No sense of the difference between say, someone who steals bread and someone who murders - they're all just lumped in as people who apparently only twaddle peddlers would think deserve to have human rights. No view on the damage these prisons, which you want more of, do not just to the cons, but the guards, the families and loved ones of everyone involved. No perspective on the social damage this desocialising process does at great expense to the public purse. All you have is an asinine sense of smug superiority which, given your sneering, vicious attitude towards people you consider acceptable victims, has no basis in reality whatsoever. No ideas at all, in fact, beyond bUilD mORe PriSoNs.

How about you have a thought once in your life that isn't a tabloid reflection.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

You've not done a spell I take it.

wrong assumption dear...