Gordon Ramsey

[longdog]

This is a crap thread and we only have a WEEK to save it!

But before I save it by pointing out the bleeding obvious I summarise my post already even though I've only just started.

This is a crap thread and we only have a WEEK to save it! I've told you that and then told you I was going to summarise what I'd already said.

Fuck

Fuck

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Introduce totally pointless time limit

Fuck

Fuck

Fuck.

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To save huge amouts on production costs by spanning a half hour programme out to an hour I'll tell you this is a crap thread and we only have a WEEK to save it!

But before I save it by pointing out the bleeding obvious I summarise my post already even though I've only just started.

This is a crap thread and we only have a WEEK to save it! I've told you that and then told you I was going to summarise what I'd already said. Then I swore a lot Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! then I introduced totally pointless time limit and swore some more.

And I've only got three days left!

Holds head in hands and looks depressed.

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You've already heard me tell you twice before at least but this is a crap thread and we only have a WEEK to save it!

etc etc etc ad-nauseum.


(OK, I abmit it, I watch it, OK )


But the constant re-hashing of what we have already seen to pad the show out does piss me right off. There seems to be a rash of these shows with pointless time limits at the moment.

<Suggs from Madness deeply annoying voice that makes you want to kill>

Hi, This week we are here in York to meet Barry Scrotum who has the world's earliest surviving Deisel locomotive which is all in bits, half of the one-off pieces are missing, the other half are broken, there's no wheels, body or chassis and there's only one person who knows how it works and he's dead.

But we have a bloke who knows how to hit and burn things (that usually should neither be hit or burnt), a token female presenter who seems fairly clueless and obviously doesn't like getting her hands dirty but best of all we have a totally useless fuck-spud who talks a good job but doesn't seem to have a fucking clue what he's doing.

We have just a week to restore the locomotive before it's big day out when Barry gets a fucking life.

</Suggs from Madness deeply annoying voice that makes you want to kill>

 

[Reg in slippers]

all together now

baggy trousers
baggy trousers



i actually enjoyed the restoration of the blackpool tram, even if it did take them the thick end of two years to do it

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Oh yes he does
My ex worked for him at both Ramsays and then Claridges. He had to be in at 7 a.m. and worked straight through til 1 a.m. with about 30 to 40 mins break all day. For this he got paid around 16K a year. Living in north London as the ex does and travelling first to Chelsea, the poor sod would almost be getting up before he was going to bed, as it were. It was a nightmare when he got his mo-ped stolen and had to rely on public transport.

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Sadly thats not so much to do with working for Ramsey as being a junior Chef.
My brother is second chef in a restaurant in Swansea and does those sort of hours and has done since he was 18. Hes paid 18k per year for over 100 hours a week and no overtime

 

[Juice Terry]

a token female presenter who seems fairly clueless and obviously doesn't like getting her hands dirty

Now, Now, much as I agree with you over the format of these shows I can't allow you to slag off the lovely Claire Barratt like that.

She seems to be pretty talented to me and loves getting stuck into the dirty jobs.

The Lovely Claire

 

[DaveCinzano]

Sadly thats not so much to do with working for Ramsey as being a junior Chef.
My brother is second chef in a restaurant in Swansea and does those sort of hours and has done since he was 18. Hes paid 18k per year for over 100 hours a week and no overtime

can he cook an omelette yet though?

 

[longdog]

Now, Now, much as I agree with you over the format of these shows I can't allow you to slag off the lovely Claire Barratt like that.

She seems to be pretty talented to me and loves getting stuck into the dirty jobs.

Talented my arse! Every time she uses a spanner it slips off the nut and every time she touches anything even slightly grimey she looks like she's just put her hand in a turd.

 

[ernestolynch]

Reminder to all GR fans that its on tonight, 9pm. You fuckers.

 

[Dubversion]

does anybody else think that when ramsay is talking to the staff he sounds exactly like chris eubank?

 

[Griff]

Over the years I've hated him for his arrogance, but tonight he did a job and turned a place around, he's funny, he gets respect from the people around him and he get's a job done.

My mate at work knows him really well and says he;s a decent gezeer who doesn't take fools gladly. What's wrong with that? Can't say I'd be as 'brutal' as he is, but hey... he gets thing sorted...

 

[pilchardman]

tonight he did a job and turned a place around,

No, tonight he told us he'd done a job and turned a place around.

Oh, and recommended firing somebody he said was a talented cook.

 

[Griff]

No, tonight he told us he'd done a job and turned a place around.

Oh, and recommended firing somebody he said was a talented cook.

Well I was half watching it over some drinks, and the 'talented cook' seemed to let himseld down.

A kitchen seems an alien place to work to me, but if he saw something in a No.2 after the head chef which wasn't based on competition and purely for the progression of the restaurant, then he did a good thing.

Teamwork and more importantly education for the lower-ranking chefs to the favour of the restaurant comes first?

Was the chef he kept on not talented?

 

[pilchardman]

Well I was half watching it over some drinks, and the 'talented cook' seemed to let himseld down.

I thought the guy (Was it Chris?) was a tosser. But Gordon said he could do the job of head chef. Then he says the guy needed to go.

That's just pish. Putting people last. Capitalist prick.

 

[Griff]

..And believe me, I'm a person who has a hatred of bosses.

But if something is being run into the ground and changes of sorts are needed, then I would listen to more experienced voices and act on their judgement. Not always agreeing I hasten to add.

 

[Griff]

I thought the guy (Was it Chris?) was a tosser. But Gordon said he could do the job of head chef. Then he says the guy needed to go.

That's just pish. Putting people last. Capitalist prick.

That's just too simplistic to be taken seriously...

The restaurant fails, so the people behind the bar, the cleaners, the chefs, and everyone else goes.

C'mon get over yerself.

Capitalist prick, oh shut up.

 

[pilchardman]

The restaurant fails, so the people behind the bar, the cleaners, the chefs, and everyone else goes.

The main problem, though, was the owner, was it not? Interfering in the kitchen despite not being a chef? Refusing to put down prices? (£70! For a main course! ) Not keeping the winning formula going?

Come on. What changed? New head chef. Same staff.

 

[Griff]

The main problem, though, was the owner, was it not? Interfering in the kitchen despite not being a chef? Refusing to put down prices? (£70! For a main course! ) Not keeping the winning formula going?

Come on. What changed? New head chef. Same staff.

Yeah, the £70 main course had our brains twitching for even a London place that expensive.

I commented it was like my work-place, where a lack of direction has been absent in 4 years (no MD, just the owner), yes you can have enthusiasm, but in a commercial venture, as cut-throat as a restaurant, there has to be some kind of 'idea' from the top.

Yes, the chef who was fired came out with something nice (once), but getting in some creative 'flair' was what the place (with a degree of history) needed.

As far as the owner goes, he meddled in things he knew nothing about, and subsequently needed a Michelin trained head-chef to carry it on, nothing wrong in enthusiasm, but his main task of making customers feel welcome in a 'swanky restaurent' was put in a secondary place.

Don't go on about 'capitalist pricks' as though it's some 'working-class' answer-all.

I'm as working class as you like, despite your 'Petit Bourgoise' comments last year.

Ask anyone who knows me.

 

[pilchardman]

I'm as working class as you like, despite your 'Petit Bourgoise' comments last year.

Ask anyone who knows me.

Ah, right. I see. The capitalist prick to whom I was referring was Gordon Ramsay esq. Not your good self.

Sorry for any confusion or ambiguity.

 

[Griff]

Ah, right. I see. The capitalist prick to whom I was referring was Gordon Ramsay esq. Not your good self.

Sorry for any confusion or ambiguity.

I didn't take it personally in the slightest , but to refer to Ramsey to turn around a restaurant that was doing so badly, serving bad food with a decent reputation brings politics into something politics shouldn't be in.

Or am I missing the point here somewhere...

 

[pilchardman]

You are missing the point that he wanted to put some guy on the dole because it didn't fit his neat little plan.

 

[Griff]

You are missing the point that he wanted to put some guy on the dole because it didn't fit his neat little plan.

Right, I see your point.

Redundancies are never nice, I've seen them at my place for purely 'personal' reasons, which luckily end up OK for the employee (compensation and the like plus a new job).

Yeah, you're right getting rid of someone can never be easy, but his brief wasn't to welfare people, but to get a failing restaurant going again. It seems he succeeded.

It's all too easy to forget about the person 'out of a job' for the success of a business, it's too commonplace in London & the City, it becomes a fact of life.

Which is why I'll have no employees when I get my shop.

 

[pilchardman]

Good luck with the shop. hope it works out.

I guess one of my problems is that I just don't like Gordon Ramsay. It's personal. I only watch him to get annoyed.

 

[ernestolynch]

You are missing the point that he wanted to put some guy on the dole because it didn't fit his neat little plan.

He'd get great references to encourage him to leave (one from GR) - you think he'd go on the dole? DO you have any experience of real life, pilchardman, outside the fusty walls of academia?

 

[sparkling]

Thought I had wondered on the P&P forum for a minute.

Anyway I enjoyed this programme again. His management technique appears to be break your staff by shouting and humiliating them and then gradually build them up how you want them.

Having said that you can see the team around him glowing and working well. Last week someone said they had been so fired up they hadnt slept all night. Imagine working for someone who can inspire that in you?

He is arrogant but its based on his talent and passion for cooking and he manages to inspire others. While he was talking to the two young chefs last night you could see the energy and passion hardly contained within him, he could hardly stand still. ........wonder if he is that passionate and energetic in bed?

 

[pilchardman]

DO you have any experience of real life, pilchardman, outside the fusty walls of academia?

More outside than in, Ern. Do you have any outside schools?

And, just to get this straight, you are on the side of the management when they fire people?

 

[hendo]

Have you noticed how Ramsay thinks its utterly out of order for anyone in a kitchen to be paid more than 25K?

They make a lot of money these restaurants don't they?

They must do, there's loads of them.

 

[aqua]

as I remember it he recommended that as one of them had to go, not enough jobs for both as the manager didn't want to hire one of those as the head chef, he would chose the one he thought wasn't a team player

hows that him doing something wrong? He said both were good cooks but it came down to team work for him and Gary (I think) wasn't a team player - agreed with him tbh

I thought last nights was good, though each episode so far has shown just how bad the resturaunt managers/owners have been, even last nights didn't exactly shine through did he!

 

[aqua]

Have you noticed how Ramsay thinks its utterly out of order for anyone in a kitchen to be paid more than 25K?

They make a lot of money these restaurants don't they?

They must do, there's loads of them.

I don't know anyone i catering, head chef or not that gets more than £19k

 

[aqua]

I thought the guy (Was it Chris?) was a tosser. But Gordon said he could do the job of head chef. Then he says the guy needed to go.

That's just pish. Putting people last. Capitalist prick.

He asked the owner to consider one of the two chefs there, the owner refused

he tricked the owner into eating their food, he still refused

he advertised for a head chef externally - that wasn't Ramsey but the owner, thus creating too many employees and asked Ramsey to advise

aim your hatred correctly please

 

[aqua]

just to add

Stefan - who the owner chose, left, he didn't like it so that one told to leave actually got the 2nd chef job

 

[editor]

You are missing the point that he wanted to put some guy on the dole because it didn't fit his neat little plan.

Right. And if you ran your own business and one individual was not performing as a team player and holding your faltering business back, you'd naturally keep him on forever regardless of the consequences, eh?

Have you ever run your own business?