This is a point I think most of us forget sometimes. This is a message board. People get taken the wrong way for exactly this reason. It's the same reason why irony is such a dangerous thing on here, and all of us miss the irony half the time. Not only is it just words on a message board, but it's also just words on a message board that a lot of us are banging out very quickly when we should be doing something else.
I honestly don't know. It's too big a gap to put it down to child raising career breaks, in my opinion. I think it's down to whether or not female PhD students are encouraged to pursue an academic career - my supervisor didn't really encourage me, for example, as he said he wouldn't support any application for a post-doc at the same department, and when I started to investigate post-doc options elsewhere he wasn't supportive at all. Yet my brother who did a PhD in the same department was heavily supported and had a post-doc there for at least a year. I know I wasn't the only student that experienced this, there were at least two other female students at the same time who had similar experiences.
If you had read the thread from the beginning, you'll notice a number of posts sarcatically congratulating men for reaching a conclusion that women had already posted several times but been ignored on.
It wasn't a personal dig at you, you over-sensitive little kitten.
Still, kind of me to make a point that you could take exaggerated offence at instead of engaging with the main issue. I'm nice like that.
To be fair, there are fellowships aimed at encouraging women back into academia, particularly in the sciences, but they are few and far between.
Yeah, I get the impression that is a general problem across academia - that there is a somewhat 'macho' publishing culture. (It's often to the detriment of the subject too - slow development of an idea over many years in a way that doesn't allow interim papers simply can't be done.)
I think that's the angriest I've ever seen you.
SorryI think that's the angriest I've ever seen you.
It needed saying.Sorry
I have been somewhat frustrated latelt
The expectations these days are unrealistic. I've known of cases where post-docs have been expected to work for free because the permanent academic they report to has not sorted out the contract paperwork with HR, not to mention the pressures to publish, to get funding of their own, to supervise project students, to teach, to manage large multi-institute research programs with no support or training. Given all the extra work and hours involved, I'm not surprised many opt out of the system
tbh, I can see how that particularly discriminates against women, but it's also a mad way to do things for everyone. It discriminates against a lot of sane men too. A good example of how changing a culture as a result of pressure to specifically make it not discriminate against women ends up benefiting everyone.
Not in the same ballpark but when the kabbess mentioned to her maths teacher in the sixth form that she wanted to apply to Cambridge, he told her that girls didn't really do maths and certainly not at Cambridge. He followed that up by saying that only one person from her school had ever gone to Cambridge, and that was a boy. "I know," she said, "that was my brother." He shut up after that.
I was told not to bother applying to Oxford. By a male teacher, natch.
It's so much fun at parties - people are interested in you when they find out you have a PhD, then when they find out it's in maths they walk away. Literally.The only person I know in rela life with a Phd in Maths is my cousin and she's a girl (funny enough being a she), I'm slightly in awe of people with Phd's in maths, it's not like the humanities.
Though I say I'm in awe of such people I don't want to hang out with them, weirdos.
