'Go home' message on vans

[Schmetterling]

I have searched the last five pages and cannot find a thread.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk-news/2013/jul/25/coalition-row-adverts-illegal-immigrants

I am utterly aghast at this and it reminds me of the Nazi proganda - not bringing Godwin's law into this; it really does make me think of it. The Tories may like to pretend that its purpose is to persuade illegal immigrants to return to their homeland (fuck that; not even that: just leave/fuck off out of this country) but I think/we know the real purpose is to stoke more fear and hatred and inflate the 'problem' (in inverted commas as I do not think of it as a problem) in people's minds.

Hasn't Great Britain/England received a telling off from the EU already for it's use of language around, e.g., Romanians being entitled to come and live in this country.

 

[nino_savatte]

This is Lynton Crosby's sort of thing. No doubt we'll see more of this crap before the next election.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It is promoting the idea that to be an illegal immigrant is to be a criminal. It's sickening on so many levels that it's hard to even think about it.

 

[Belushi]

We're just a step or two away from Enoch was Right! posters

 

[pissflaps]

christ - you know things are going from bad to fucking terrible when even Nigel 'Ribbit' Farage reckons your immigration policies are in poor taste.

 

[Virtual Blue]

the driver has no head.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

What kind of scabby wanker agrees to drive that van around?

 

[frogwoman]

Fucking horrible

 

[nino_savatte]

We're just a step or two away from Enoch was Right! posters

I want to get some posters printed that say "Enoch is dead and he's not coming back".

 

[DotCommunist]

"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party."

 

[Firky]

I am going to text the number and waste some of their money, time and resources. Anyone else up for it?

 

[Schmetterling]

This is Lynton Crosby's sort of thing. No doubt we'll see more of this crap before the next election.

Had read of him before but to refresh my mind

Wiki
Tactics[edit]

Crosby is described as favouring what is called a wedge strategy, whereby the party he advises introduces a divisive or controversial social issue into a campaign, aligning its own stance with the dissenting faction of its opponent party, with the goal of causing vitriolic debate inside the opposing party, defection of its supporters, and the legitimising of sentiment which had previously been considered inappropriate. This is also described as "below the radar" campaigning, with the targeting of marginal constituencies with highly localised campaigning, latching on to local issues and personalities.[1] To find such issues, Crosby's business partner Mark Textor runs focus groups to find which groups to target with what questions.[14] Crosby is said to run a tight ship, focus on simple messages, target marginal constituencies and use lots of polls.[3]


Though when I read the above linked-to article this morning - had first read about the plan to do this a few days ago - I did think 'Uh, oh; they may have shot themselves in their foot, here.' as it is just soooo extreme. I do have a hope that the sense of 'fair play' in this country will prevail.


ETA I also had day-dream visions of the vans being pelted with eggs and tomatoes. In faaaact, , what would happen if people did that?

 

[Buddy Bradley]

 

[nino_savatte]

Had read of him before but to refresh my mind

Wiki
Tactics[edit]

Crosby is described as favouring what is called a wedge strategy, whereby the party he advises introduces a divisive or controversial social issue into a campaign, aligning its own stance with the dissenting faction of its opponent party, with the goal of causing vitriolic debate inside the opposing party, defection of its supporters, and the legitimising of sentiment which had previously been considered inappropriate. This is also described as "below the radar" campaigning, with the targeting of marginal constituencies with highly localised campaigning, latching on to local issues and personalities.[1] To find such issues, Crosby's business partner Mark Textor runs focus groups to find which groups to target with what questions.[14] Crosby is said to run a tight ship, focus on simple messages, target marginal constituencies and use lots of polls.[3]


Though when I read the above linked-to article this morning - had first read about the plan to do this a few days ago - I did think 'Uh, oh; they may have shot themselves in their foot, here.' as it is just soooo extreme. I do have a hope that the sense of 'fair play' in this country will prevail.

We used to refer to this as "poisoning the well". Mind you, Crosby's 2005 campaign for Michael Howard backfired spectacularly.

 

[Firky]

Right, put in a request to be called back in English.


Going to stay I illegally crossed the Watford Gap and I'd like to get back home to Newcastle.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Where's the Gujarati option?! Other? FUCK YOU

 

[fogbat]

I should be sent back to Wales.

 

[Schmetterling]

Can I request a call back in German? And if they say no can I sue them?

 

[Firky]

I have a date

Hope they don't send me back home on Megabus. That would be totally fucking inhumane.

 

[ddraig]

e2a not me btw

 

[DotCommunist]

Someone ring them and demand a call back in Ulster Scots

 

[Schmetterling]

Can we find a better description than illegal immigrants as well, please?

Overstayers?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I wish the infectious sub-human waste that is the tory vermin party would fuck off back home to whatever shithole tax haven that them and the financial backers register their buisness interests.

 

[Frumious B.]

Cameron is so adept at fucking things up. No 10 must be in a permanent state of bewilderment and panic.

 

[DotCommunist]

Can we find a better description than illegal immigrants as well, please?

Overstayers?

'labour pool we rely upon but have to demonise for realpolitik reasons'

bit of a mouthful

 

[Firky]

They're ignoring my requests for a call back in Klingon, High Valyrian and Dothraki.

 

[DotCommunist]

They're ignoring my requests for a call back in Klingon, High Valyrian and Dothraki.

The Dothraki have no word for immigrant

 

[dylanredefined]

What kind of scabby wanker agrees to drive that van around?

An illegal immigrant they often turn up doing crappy jobs no one wants to do.

 

[dylanredefined]

Can we find a better description than illegal immigrants as well, please?

Overstayers?

Why? It covers the all the bases of foreigners who are not supposed to be here. Overstayers are only those whose right to stay has expired
Immigration is a tough one we cannot let everyone in yet kicking people out whose only crime is not having the right paperwork seems cruel.

 

[The Pale King]

I have searched the last five pages and cannot find a thread.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk-news/2013/jul/25/coalition-row-adverts-illegal-immigrants

I am utterly aghast at this and it reminds me of the Nazi proganda - not bringing Godwin's law into this; it really does make me think of it. The Tories may like to pretend that its purpose is to persuade illegal immigrants to return to their homeland (fuck that; not even that: just leave/fuck off out of this country) but I think/we know the real purpose is to stoke more fear and hatred and inflate the 'problem' (in inverted commas as I do not think of it as a problem) in people's minds.

Hasn't Great Britain/England received a telling off from the EU already for it's use of language around, e.g., Romanians being entitled to come and live in this country.

I don't think the comparison is unwarranted at all - it's what I thought of too. The other thing which made me think of the Nazi era was the attempt to turn state functionaries and private citizens into enformers / enforcers of government 'race policy' (for now read 'nationality policy'). They want landlords and teachers to interrogate people about their residence status. They want neighbours informing on neighbours. This was what the Nazis did with their Gauleiters and so on. We know the supposed 'neutrality' of the state is a fiction, but this kind of blatant co-option of state functionaries has some very ugly antecedents.