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'Go home' message on vans

I don't think the comparison is unwarranted at all - it's what I thought of too. The other thing which made me think of the Nazi era was the attempt to turn state functionaries and private citizens into enformers / enforcers of government 'race policy' (for now read 'nationality policy'). They want landlords and teachers to interrogate people about their residence status. They want neighbours informing on neighbours. This was what the Nazis did with their Gauleiters and so on. We know the supposed 'neutrality' of the state is a fiction, but this kind of blatant co-option of state functionaries has some very ugly antecedents.

ETA 1st BIB: The posters and drawings. :(


Yup; exactly what I thought when that was being mooted - the sowing of distrust through which the masses can be controlled. Same with the Stasi and the Securitate.



Why? It covers the all the bases of foreigners who are not supposed to be here. Overstayers are only those whose right to stay has expired
Immigration is a tough one we cannot let everyone in yet kicking people out whose only crime is not having the right paperwork seems cruel.

I need to think about that for a bit.
 
What kind of scabby wanker agrees to drive that van around?

Cheap agency worker who thinks its easy money its not like its going to achieve anything is it?
I dont think the nazis would be cheap enough to put das futhers latest ideas on a van.
Its NAF and CRAP at the same time appantly Alan partridge is now running immigration policy.
 
Right, put in a request to be called back in English.


Going to stay I illegally crossed the Watford Gap and I'd like to get back home to Newcastle.

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We don't want your sort down here
 
Serious post

Disgusting campaign but unsurprising sadly, Tories will be Tories . Lib Dems have proved spineless as usual on this .
 
Incidentally, the purpose of this is not to encourage 'illegal' migrants to leave our shores. The purpose is to scare such people into keeping their heads down and continuing to work in shitty cash-in-hand jobs for less than minimum wage and paying rent to slum landlords. These migrants have their place in the neoliberal utopia just like everyone else, but as it's not a very nice place at all the state needs to use these sorts of scare tactics to keep them in that place.

Border controls serve a similar purpose. Treating migrants like shit in places like Calais is not done to convince them to go home- even the simplest copper or border official can see that many of them don't have any home left to go to- but to get them to keep their heads down once they make it to the UK for fear of getting deported back to Greece, Italy or wherever and having to make their way back across Europe again.

Describing people as 'illegal' is just a way of dressing racist policies up as something just and fair. These people have not proven their right to be in this country, therefore they have no such right and should be removed. That will only be a just and fair policy when it becomes necessary for every inhabitant of these islands to prove their worth, rather than just the ones who were born elsewhere.

If the drivers of one of these vans were extracted from his cab by a pan-ethnic consortium of concerned local people and severely beaten that would in my opinion be a justifiable act in the cause of preventing violence, both psychological and physical, against innocent people.
 
The New Zealand Greens (I think they are called the GreeNZ! or something equally execrable) prefer the nomenclature 'informal immigrant'.

Kiwis and Australians are by far the largest group of visa-overstayers in the UK. For some reason the Home Office seems to be focussing its attention on other, coincidentally less white, demographics of 'illegals' :hmm:
 
I just called Councillor Pete Robbins a nasty man on Twitter having been infuriated by his shit in the new edition of the Brixton Bugle. How much trouble am i in?
 
If the drivers of one of these vans were extracted from his cab by a pan-ethnic consortium of concerned local people and severely beaten that would in my opinion be a justifiable act in the cause of preventing violence, both psychological and physical, against innocent people.


Driver in the first photo looks black to me so we've already got started on your pan-ethnic consortium. The rest of your post looks like supposition dressed up as fact.

I think the point of mobile signs is to prevent subvertising. Since the van firm didn't bother hiding their identity, it may not be long before someone locks on to the depot gates.
 
I just texted them with summat daft, hoping to waste their time a bit maybe

"excusing myself please must i go home now thank you"

If they call back I'll say I came to England from Wales 22 years ago and once got done for breach of the peace on a cuts demo, am worried it makes me illegal etc. etc.

Bollocks I know, but such spanners in the works are the least this kind of arse deserves.

It's a pay as you go LOL
 
What a load of shite. Bet this will put vulnerable people who actually do have options (e.g. those with children, victims of DV) off from seeking support they're entitled to.

Fucking racist cunts.
 
Driver in the first photo looks black to me so we've already got started on your pan-ethnic consortium. The rest of your post looks like supposition dressed up as fact.

I've just got back from Calais where I've been working with lots of migrants. Most of the contents of my post came directly from things that people in these situations have told me, and from things I've seen for myself here in the UK.

It's just one way of looking at it, another would be that migrants aren't the target of this at all and that the sole purpose of the campaign is to appeal to racist cretins. It's also worth remebering that UK/european border policies are a massive cash cow for organised crime, which in turn is a massive cash cow for bent politicians.

The bit about beating up van drivers is entirely mine, but I stand by it.
 
These are ugly and designed to sent out a message, not encourage people to leave the UK, so were the Stasi style 'target posters' and the 'no ifs no buts' poster anti benefit 'fraud' campaign which N/l ran right over the country for many years, they created a climate of fear for disabled people(which was their real purpose, they were not cost effective) and sadly there wasn't much opposition to them though, I can remember one time, an SWP poster had been placed alongside one of them and not over it, said it all to me then..
 
Incidentally, the purpose of this is not to encourage 'illegal' migrants to leave our shores. The purpose is to scare such people into keeping their heads down and continuing to work in shitty cash-in-hand jobs for less than minimum wage and paying rent to slum landlords. These migrants have their place in the neoliberal utopia just like everyone else, but as it's not a very nice place at all the state needs to use these sorts of scare tactics to keep them in that place.

Border controls serve a similar purpose. Treating migrants like shit in places like Calais is not done to convince them to go home- even the simplest copper or border official can see that many of them don't have any home left to go to- but to get them to keep their heads down once they make it to the UK for fear of getting deported back to Greece, Italy or wherever and having to make their way back across Europe again.

Describing people as 'illegal' is just a way of dressing racist policies up as something just and fair. These people have not proven their right to be in this country, therefore they have no such right and should be removed. That will only be a just and fair policy when it becomes necessary for every inhabitant of these islands to prove their worth, rather than just the ones who were born elsewhere.

If the drivers of one of these vans were extracted from his cab by a pan-ethnic consortium of concerned local people and severely beaten that would in my opinion be a justifiable act in the cause of preventing violence, both psychological and physical, against innocent people.


so, you have moved on from correctly describing the motives or one of them for this campaign to an endorsement of no borders.
 
apparently someone had an interesting callback and response to complaint
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rlig1e
a friend complained about the #racistvan; her report is well worth a read:

"I just spoke to the Home Office via their text-callback service about the 'GO HOME OR FACE ARREST' billboards. Very interesting conversation with the woman working there: she recorded my complaint, warned me that notes of complaint via that route were being binned and quietly gave me the official Home Office complaints address: Home Office, Direct Communications Unit, 2 Marsham Street, London SW1P 4DF.

"Then she told me she and her colleagues felt the message was counterproductive and would increase fear, making it less possible for destitute migrants or people who might want to claim asylum to approach the HO for help - and she said she'd raised this with the PCS and was hopeful that the union would respond. So, in summary, even the Home Office's own staff don't want to deal with the fallout of this campaign."
 
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