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Gerry Adams exposed , his lies demolished at brothers rape trial

Casually Red said:
they would have known the second his daughter walked in and made the statement to the RUC . According to her and her mothers account almost right away they tried to recruit them,which led almost just as immediately to them withdrawing their statement to extricate themselves from situation, so you can only imagine what they were at with him .

and his previous behaviour which led to him being shot by the IRA doesnt exactly point to any great strength of character .
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do expand here pls
 
adams on the offensive again today claiming the decision to review his case is the result of political lobbying by his enemies, which is probably true enough . Its a sad fact of political life that political pressure in Ireland rarely gets applied out of motives of decency, or anywhere else for that matter.
But it looks from here like theres more scrutiny on McGrory himself, indications maybe of press whispers. Because from a unionist perspective this could be the opportunity to take 2 scalps, not just Adams but McGrorys as well .

http://www.thejournal.ie/gerry-adams-liam-adams-abuse-case-referral-1119571-Oct2013/
 
DotCommunist said:
do expand here pls
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well theres been a lot of talk over the years but ill refer simply to what one of the local rags printed on sunday . Namely that Liam Adams was shot in the legs in the mid 1970s by the IRA after hed robbed the tills of the local ex prisoners club to go on a spree and then later bottled another republican in a bar . Despite that oppropbrium his brother had him reinstalled in the movement just a few years later. Which is interesting because one of his bodyguards and personal security circle had also suffered a similar fate for taking a job as an orderly in the H Blocks and assisting the screws in their torture of the prisoners . He was similarly despised by rank and file but brought back in by Adams and put very high up. He still walks with a limp .
 
cheers. I don't suppose you can point me in the direction of any analysis of the relationship between the army council and the shinner leadership during this period?
 
DotCommunist said:
cheers. I don't suppose you can point me in the direction of any analysis of the relationship between the army council and the shinner leadership during this period?
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well that was basically the period in which Adams set about taking everything over . The sinn fein leadership was mostly southern based and old school . Adams didnt become president until the early 80s. The vice president was Maire Drumm from Belfast and she was assassinated, leaving Adams free to walk into her shoes pretty much shortly after the state dropped IRA membership charges against him...and Martin McGuiness. The previous army council and many within the sinn fein leadership stood somewhat discreditted after the mid 1970s ceasefire period, when it had become apparent the state had just been stringing them along. Although thats an oversimplification Adams used it to his full advantage , playing the ultra militarist card the entire time and using not only his own oratorical talents but the backing of Brendan Hughes and Ivor Bell on the military front to assume control. He basically took army first, sinn fein second over the period of about 5 or 6 years. By the time he had control the old guard were all out in RSF, Hughes sidelined and Bell under suspended death sentence.

Ed Moloneys analysis, secret history of the IRA is one anaysis worth considering, although theres a lot of other sources out there that fill smaller gaps.


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Ruairi OBradaighs biography is well worth a read too. He, as some of you know im sure, was the SF president he suceeded in ousting in 83. He only has one biography mind, unlike Adams who thus far has written over a dozen books about himself .
 
Casually Red said:
well that was basically the period in which Adams set about taking everything over . The sinn fein leadership was mostly southern based and old school . Adams didnt become president until the early 80s. The vice president was Maire Drumm from Belfast and she was assassinated, leaving Adams free to walk into her shoes pretty much shortly after the state dropped IRA membership charges against him...and Martin McGuiness. The previous army council and many within the sinn fein leadership stood somewhat discreditted after the mid 1970s ceasefire period, when it had become apparent the state had just been stringing them along. Although thats an oversimplification Adams used it to his full advantage , playing the ultra militarist card the entire time and using not only his own oratorical talents but the backing of Brendan Hughes and Ivor Bell on the military front to assume control. He basically took army first, sinn fein second over the period of about 5 or 6 years. By the time he had control the old guard were all out in RSF, Hughes sidelined and Bell under suspended death sentence.

Ed Moloneys analysis, secret history of the IRA is one anaysis worth considering, although theres a lot of other sources out there that fill smaller gaps.
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"good friday: the death of irish republicanism" http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Friday-Death-Irish-Republicanism/dp/1932982744
 
Pickman's model said:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ver-handling-of-aine-abuse-case-29639013.html
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his tweets, hes a fucking sociopath..pure and simple. All that leave us in privacy with our greif to the press and then tweeting that shite. The dark dirty deeds that man should be held accountable for....this is only the tip of the ice berg. Im convinced of it .

As regards the article itself hell ignore it as dissident republican propaganda , blackening both Breen and Hodgins, neither of whom would be on message with SF. Hell only go when hes dragged .
 
Casually Red said:
his tweets, hes a fucking sociopath..pure and simple. All that leave us in privacy with our greif to the press and then tweeting that shite. The dark dirty deeds that man should be held accountable for....this is only the tip of the ice berg. Im convinced of it .

As regards the article itself hell ignore it as dissident republican propaganda , blackening both Breen and Hodgins, neither of whom would be on message with SF. Hell only go when hes dragged .
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he's done enough damage to the republican movement already, he should go and go now.
 
the thing hes head of today has no claim to call itself any such thing in my view, theres simply no republicanism there bar outward trappings . And while id love to see it become just as politically toxic and discreditted as he is this isnt the issue Id like to see it done with. So Id agree with you, if he had a spark of decency he should go now. Thing is he doesnt, so he wont .
 
Casually Red said:
the thing hes head of today has no claim to call itself any such thing in my view, theres simply no republicanism there bar outward trappings . And while id love to see it become just as politically toxic and discreditted as he is this isnt the issue Id like to see it done with. So Id agree with you, if he had a spark of decency he should go now. Thing is he doesnt, so he wont .
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the rest of the provisional movement might abandon him, rats fleeing a sinking ship as it were.
 
well unlike other political parties there is certainly the issue of Adams personal safety to consider in his reluctance to abandon ship , a lot of people would have a bone to pick im sure. But its looking like hes becoming a liability in the south, FF are using him as a stick to beat the shinners with. Any SF policy launch is going to be interrupted with questions about this . Then theres that tweeting which must be getting peoples backs up .It really depends on the establishment . If they reckon hes past his sell by date and no longer useful then itll be media furores, charges and prosecutions .
Thats when the knives will come out . Unless of course hes got some spectacular dirt on others, which could well be the case .
 
if Adams and McGuinness turn on each other it will be rats in a bag time. Some years back there were noises McGuinness was going to be outed as a tout . He foolishly faced the cameras almost blubbering for a press conference on it, a la willy hague . What was very noticeable was the absence of Adams and any bigshots at his side , just a gaggle of z listers who looked like they didnt want to be there. Im sure he hasnt forgotten that .
Id say that if Adams becomes too big a liability he wont put the good of the party first, in fact hell simply not go . Hell have to be pushed . The only ones with the clout to shove him really are McGuinness and Gerry Kelly . Kelly will most likely back him . So any attempt at a shove could well be an ugly affair .
 
Casually Red said:
well unlike other political parties there is certainly the issue of Adams personal safety to consider in his reluctance to abandon ship , a lot of people would have a bone to pick im sure. But its looking like hes becoming a liability in the south, FF are using him as a stick to beat the shinners with. Any SF policy launch is going to be interrupted with questions about this . Then theres that tweeting which must be getting peoples backs up .It really depends on the establishment . If they reckon hes past his sell by date and no longer useful then itll be media furores, charges and prosecutions .
Thats when the knives will come out . Unless of course hes got some spectacular dirt on others, which could well be the case .
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SF threw a hand grenade into the Republic's presidential elections when during the debate they revealed that "independent" candidate Sean Gallagher wasn't just a businessman and giant penis cos player but a Fianna Fail bag man. One can only imagine the level of boot kicking that Adams will get over this.
 
8den said:
SF threw a hand grenade into the Republic's presidential elections when during the debate they revealed that "independent" candidate Sean Gallagher wasn't just a businessman and giant penis cos player but a Fianna Fail bag man. One can only imagine the level of boot kicking that Adams will get over this.
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theyve most to gain. Endas still thinking about da peece. FF are thinking about FF, and revenge . Nothing tops corruption like pedos . Plus hes completely out of his depth down there . He has no natural political allies, no sway . If theres blood in the water FF are the sharks to sniff it out .
 
ok, at long last i managed to find a link to that court transcript of his cross examination , heres it in full

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/08_10_2013_cross_exam_gerry_adams.pdf

anyone who wants to even begin to understand why i despise that waste of organs so intensely should have a read of that . Its just toe curling, sickening . It really needs to be read to get a proper understanding of that guy and how basically every word on his lips is either a lie or an attempt to distract and manipulate. Virtually every word, hes utterly pathetic. A rat.

btw he snitched to the social twice as the local MP, in an attempt to have the blame placed on his sister in law for the marriage break down. After shed kicked the pedo out for frequently beating her . What chance on earth did that child have going to him for help. Absolutely none .

cunt :mad::mad::mad:
 
Let me say that I didn't want to know the detail, and I consciously (because this is a dreadful thing that allegedly happened) didn't want to know the detail.
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Classy guy.

MS MCDERMOTT: You asked for the note, Mr Adams in relation to a complaint, I’m suggesting to you, you made to the Health Visitor in relation to standards of hygiene in your then sister-in-law’s home. The first document that I’m going to show you the minutes of a Child Abuse and neglect case conference held at Milner Street on Friday the 23rd of January 1987. And the part that I am going to ask you to look at is on the second page, the beginning of the second paragraph, and it reads: “Mrs Taggart.......” I pause there to say that, and you may recall this, that she was the Health Visitor in the area; do you remember her?

A. No.

Q. “Mrs Margaret Taggart, reported that the family first came to her attention just after Christmas last year (January 1986) when the brother in law came to see her, because the children were dirty and had lice in their hair”. And then I’m going to show you another

document, which are the minutes of what’s called an Admission Panel at the Whiterock Family Centre, held on Monday the 27th of January 1986. So that’s a year before the one I’ve just read out. And if you look at the fourth paragraph down, it says: “Mrs Taggart.....” And I break off there to say that she is described at the top as Mrs M Taggart, HV, Whiterock Health Centre: “Mrs Taggart explained how Sister Bernadette had asked VSB to go in and decorate the house. Mrs Taggart went on to say Gerry Adams (brother in law) had said that poor home management standards had, in some way, contributed to the marital difficulties. So there are the two documents.

A. Thank you. (SHORT PAUSE)

Q. I’m only asking you whether you said this, Mr Adams, whether you accept that you said it (that’s all) not going to the ......

A. No, I don’t.....I don’t have any......any recollection whatsoever.

Q. Well do you dispute that you said it?

A. Well I don’t have any recollection. I .........
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Classy guy indeed.
 
Casually Red said:
ok, at long last i managed to find a link to that court transcript of his cross examination , heres it in full

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/08_10_2013_cross_exam_gerry_adams.pdf

anyone who wants to even begin to understand why i despise that waste of organs so intensely should have a read of that . Its just toe curling, sickening . It really needs to be read to get a proper understanding of that guy and how basically every word on his lips is either a lie or an attempt to distract and manipulate. Virtually every word, hes utterly pathetic. A rat.

btw he snitched to the social twice as the local MP, in an attempt to have the blame placed on his sister in law for the marriage break down. After shed kicked the pedo out for frequently beating her . What chance on earth did that child have going to him for help. Absolutely none .

cunt :mad::mad::mad:
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it's quite a read that.

thanks for this thread, it's an eye opener alright. I appreciate why the court excludes some matters from becoming evidence. But we're not a court, so what's the background to the stuff on pp15/16 about the father?

Also, it's been bugging me that I don't know how Aine is pronounced :oops:
 
newbie said:
it's quite a read that.

thanks for this thread, it's an eye opener alright. I appreciate why the court excludes some matters from becoming evidence. But we're not a court, so what's the background to the stuff on pp15/16 about the father?

Also, it's been bugging me that I don't know how Aine is pronounced :oops:
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I'd pronounce it "An-ye"
 
Casually Red said:
theyve most to gain. Endas still thinking about da peece. FF are thinking about FF, and revenge . Nothing tops corruption like pedos . Plus hes completely out of his depth down there . He has no natural political allies, no sway . If theres blood in the water FF are the sharks to sniff it out .
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Gusty Spence spent his last years as a recluse. I can foresee a similar fate for Gerry. . .
 
What a scumbag theirs a natural reaction to try to protect your family not belive what your hearing when child abuse is discovered.
But to continue to deny attempt to cover it up when its fucking obvious and not at least attempt to remedy the wrongs you did. That just wrong.
 
From the BBC today

"I obviously am concerned that as members of my family pick up the newspapers this morning, and on the back of this press conference will pick up the newspapers tomorrow morning, and wonder why there is such an inordinate attention on this and on me.
"So that's my primary concern, my primary concern isn't about me."
He said he took exception "to a quite despicable lobby that's going on" over the case and said there was "quite contrived reaction in some quarters".
"I learned that the DUP, at least some of the DUP, and indeed some in Fiánna Fail, are coming at this in a political way," he said.
 
What did you know? when did you know about it ?and what did you do about it?

Its career ending if he cant give clear answers to those questions.
I could understand not going to the ruc in87 but if you cant or wont go to the police you make other arrangements to protect the kid.
If it involves baseball bats and black and decker drills not like anyone is going to care:(
 
likesfish said:
What did you know? when did you know about it ?and what did you do about it?

Its career ending if he cant give clear answers to those questions.
I could understand not going to the ruc in87 but if you cant or wont go to the police you make other arrangements to protect the kid.
If it involves baseball bats and black and decker drills not like anyone is going to care:(
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it wasnt just Aine, his brother had just had a kid, another young girl, with another woman . He claims he warned his brothers new partner..when did you warn her..where did you warn her..um..eh..i was busy with the peeece proocesss so ..it might have been..umm..ahh..timeline . Liar.
 
but whats really struck me is that when put under a bit of verbal pressure, and despite being warned by the judge repeatedly that hes under no obligation to divulge solicitor client privilege, he frantically waives the privilege, repeatedly, and implicates his solicitor in a serious criminal offence . Namely deliberately witholding evidence of child rape . And blames his solicitor outright for his own failure to pass that info to the cops. Making clear he was just doing what his solicitor instructed him to do .

thats feckin outrageous

The obvious question is what the hell was this guy like on the few occasions he was dragged into the local barracks for interrogation by those charming gentlemen of RUC special branch and British army intelligence during the early 70s if this is what he was like in an open court with a judge telling him hed be better keeping his mouth shut and his own solictor there to advise him of his rights. Not a rubber hose , game of Russian Roulette or a brushpole up the bum in sight. He eagerly touted on his own brief and said this serious criminal offence was solely his solicitors fault . That it was his solicitor who told him to not pass the evidence on, and therefore his solicitor knew it as well and didnt pass it on either . And hes not even on trial, hes just a witness .

And now the brief is the DPP.
 
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