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a great stain on the family honour when uncle nick was tory candidate for wooton under edge (Cllr. Although checking with ma he apparently resides in Dursley so who knows. Irrelevant anyway, he is dead to me).
 
Brimscombe or something.
Brimscombe and Thrupp is one local football side, a village that sounds like an STD.
But as JTG says, Stroud looks well set to go back Labour, the formerLab MP standing again and has a personal following, only done just by the national swing last time. Current Tory is a complete shop dummy.
 
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Pretty desperate :D
 
Can we bombard that link with so much spam that they can't find any genuine stories? Or send false claims and have their photographer drive off to Swindon or wherever to meet a fictional business owner?
 
Stroud is the whitest place in britain. Even my slow witted brother noticed it. The only time you see a non white face is when someones serving you at the garage.

It is a beautiful country landscape . Cider With Rosie country

Have you been to Herefordshire?
 
Constitutional boffin Vernon Bogdanor of Kings College says there are no rules for what happens if/when we have a hung parliament, a snap election and another hung parliament. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c14fd4ae-f31e-11e4-b98f-00144feab7de.html#axzz3ZHIzczmb

The commentators unanimously predict a hung parliament after Thursday’s general election. What happens next? Whatever the political uncertainties, the constitutional rules are clear. They are laid out in the Cabinet Manual, published by the Cabinet Office in 2010, and designed to ensure both that the Queen’s government is carried on and that the Queen herself is not involved in the process.

The new parliament meets on May 18. Its first substantive business on May 27 is the Queen’s Speech, in effect a vote of confidence in the government’s programme. The key issue, then, is not which is the largest party — but which party commands the support of the Commons.

David Cameron, even if he does not win a majority, might nevertheless want to meet parliament as the Conservatives did in 1924. The Cabinet Manual, however, points out that a government is “expected to resign if it becomes clear that it is unlikely to be able to command that confidence and there is a clear alternative”. That clear alternative would presumably be a Labour minority government.

Even so, Mr Cameron might seek to prove to the country that Labour can only govern with the aid of the Scottish National party. Lord Salisbury did the same in 1892 to show that the Liberals could only govern with the aid of the Irish nationalists. The danger with such a tactic is that, by treating MPs from the “Celtic fringe” as lepers, it could encourage the very separatist tendencies that Unionists deplore.

Labour would presumably put down an amendment pointing out that “Your Majesty’s present advisers have not the confidence of this House”, the wording of its successful amendment in 1924.

Were the government to be defeated on such an amendment, it would have to resign and Mr Miliband would be asked to form a government. It would be up to him whether to negotiate with another party or parties for a coalition or agreement before meeting parliament.

The Queen would play no part in such negotiations. In 2010, she stayed in Windsor while coalition discussions continued and so could not be accused of interference. It is for the political leaders, not the Queen, to resolve the matter. The Queen then endorses the decisions they have reached.

There need not, with a change of government, be a second Queen’s Speech. In 1924, the new government’s programme was discussed in an adjournment debate without a vote. Today, a vote would probably have to be taken, and the new government might publish a command paper outlining its policies.

A minority government after the election might wish, as Harold Wilson did in 1974, to go to the country rapidly to seek a majority. But the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011 prevents an early dissolution unless either two-thirds of MPs vote for it, or it proves impossible, following a successful no-confidence vote, to form a new government within 14 days.

Were a Miliband government to be defeated in a no-confidence vote, it would be unlikely that a new government could be formed, since the Conservatives would already have resigned or been defeated in the Queen’s Speech. So a dissolution would follow.

There is, however, a crucial difference between the situation today and that in 1974. Then it was believed that a hung parliament was an aberration and that there would be a rapid return to majority government. Labour did indeed scrape home in the second election of 1974 with an overall majority of three.

Today, however, there is no reason to believe that a second election would yield a notably different outcome. Perhaps the multi-party system — five parties in England, six in Scotland and Wales — is not an aberration but a permanent feature of the landscape, reflecting a fundamental change in our political culture.

If that is so, our institutions, including the first past the post electoral system, will have to accommodate themselves to that transformation and the Cabinet Manual will have to be rewritten.
 
Constitutional boffin Vernon Bogdanor of Kings College says there are no rules for what happens if/when we have a hung parliament, a snap election and another hung parliament. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c14fd4ae-f31e-11e4-b98f-00144feab7de.html#axzz3ZHIzczmb

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, or the basis on which you're trying to make it.

As far as I can make out, the rules for forming a government after an imagined second election following the failure of any party or parties to form a government would be exactly the same as those after the first - i.e. a prospective PM has to get a QS through a vote in parliament.
 
Interesting that Labour peaked in 1945 ish. I remember my late father saying that Labour sent people out to speak to the troops awaiting demobilisation, he was in Austria at the time, promising the earth for the returning heroes. Labour won the subsequent election.


In many ways, not all, they got it.
 
Revealed: coalition proposals to cut welfare for sick, poor, young and disabled

Exclusive: ‘Extremely controversial’ ideas by civil servants include benefit freeze and making it harder for sick people to claim state aid, leaked papers show
A list of “very, highly or extremely controversial” potential cuts to benefits have been drawn up by civil servants in response to warnings that the next government would struggle to keep welfare spending below a legal cap of about £120bn a year.

The cuts proposed by officials at the Department for Work and Pensions include abolishing statutory maternity pay and barring under-25s from claiming incapacity benefit or housing benefit. Money could also be raised, civil servants suggested, by increasing the bedroom tax in certain cases.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...lash-welfare-for-sick-poor-young-and-disabled

maybe expected, but still horrendous,
 
Making it harder for sick people to claim state aid when they are out of work by introducing “stricter” fit-for-work tests and/or tighter limits on eligibility.

How could they be stricter?
 
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Evening Scumdard come out for the Tories

Once a Tory rag....

Interesting choice of phrase though:

"Consider what is best for our Capital"

Yeah.... We know which "Capital" you mean
 
i've a solution to the constitutional problem - but it involves a group of like minds (with appropriate equipment) entering the house of 'commons' to wage class war by promptly arresting all therein, and announcing that henceforth all shall expend their energies in the service of all the people.

Once the parliamentary cretins have recognised that "the poorest hee that is in England hath a life to live, as the greatest hee", then some consideration might be given to releasing one or two, but under the strict condition that they obtain shelf filling and aisle sweeping jobs in the newly collectivised food industry (formerly tescos)..
 
I usually pick up a Standard at Brixton tube but there's so much propaganda in it today I had to go back and return it. The
'vendor' was puzzled.
 
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Evening Scumdard come out for the Tories

Once a Tory rag....

Interesting choice of phrase though:

"Consider what is best for our Capital"

Yeah.... We know which "Capital" you mean

:D

Ain't gonna work though; London's swing to Labour has been huge in the past 5 years. Traditionally the ES is really for out-of-town commuters so maybe this is an attack on the Lib-Dem suburbs?
 
Stroud is the whitest place in britain. Even my slow witted brother noticed it. The only time you see a non white face is when someones serving you at the garage.

It is a beautiful country landscape . Cider With Rosie country
Stroud is not a UKIP stronghold though - its full of old hippies (and strong for the Green Party) and also some rich old tories. Labour are going to win the seat back there regardless - the local former Labour/Co-op MP David Drew is still popular and many locals think the current Tory incumbent (Neil Carmichael) is a useless publicity-hungry twat (which he is.) It's just a Labour/Tory marginal. Desperate stuff from the Torygraph.
 
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Stroud is not a UKIP stronghold though - and i Its full of old hippies (and strong for the Green Party) and also some rich old tories. Labour are going to win the seat back there regardless - the local former Labour/Co-op MP David Drew is still popular and many locals think the current Tory incumbent (Neil Carmichael) is a useless publicity-hungry twat (which he is.) It's just a Labour/Tory marginal. Desperate stuff from the Torygraph.
Mind I was chatting to an old bloke after swimming today and mentioned watching FGR which got on to Dave Drew (he's on the board) and the old bloke says lovely fellow and I admitted I actually registered to vote so I could vote for him (Carmichael out really) and it was all going swimmingly (so to speak) then he actually says "Enoch Powell was right.." which I thought only happened in satire.
 
Mind I was chatting to an old bloke after swimming today and mentioned watching FGR which got on to Dave Drew (he's on the board) and the old bloke says lovely fellow and I admitted I actually registered to vote so I could vote for him (Carmichael out really) and it was all going swimmingly (so to speak) then he actually says "Enoch Powell was right.." which I thought only happened in satire.
That's the meningitis. Still wreaking havoc.
 
it's just mirror image of the 'OMG don't vote Green or TUSC or whoever or you'll let the tories back in' schtick we've been hearing off labour supporters since forever.
 
Can we bombard that link with so much spam that they can't find any genuine stories? Or send false claims and have their photographer drive off to Swindon or wherever to meet a fictional business owner?
or just send a picture of ones own cock and bollocks.
 
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, or the basis on which you're trying to make it.

As far as I can make out, the rules for forming a government after an imagined second election following the failure of any party or parties to form a government would be exactly the same as those after the first - i.e. a prospective PM has to get a QS through a vote in parliament.

Well, it wasn't me who wrote the article. The point is that under the present rules we might not have a workable government after the second election. It doesn't need to be spelled out that this would be a disaster. So we need extra rules to break the cycle.
 
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