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ViolentPanda said:
Yes, it was. Now go and research what the 1959 manifesto commitment encompassed (not much at all), and to what extent it was similar to or the same as Right to Buy post-1979. Be warned - if you can find the manifesto it's boring and uninformative.
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It was a letter in the latest Eye. I have never read a manifesto in my puff, and never intend to. Were I to come by such a document in print, it would go with the rest of the fiction. :p:D
 
brogdale said:
I'm not so sure. Firstly there is a good chance that Lab+SNP+SDLP+PC+Green would be able to vote down a Cameron QS or, if it is constitutional, force a VoNC on day one of the new parliament. Secondly there is the barely concealed internecine warfare of the vermin's leadership contest; Cameron has to meet with the '22 on Friday and it has been reported that he's going to challenge them to back him (a two-time loser) or he'll tell Brenda to call Milibrand.

The vermin are worried shitless atm
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Good.

The only downside is another fucking election, with the accompanying weeks of election broadcasts etc.
 
Sasaferrato said:
It was a letter in the latest Eye. I have never read a manifesto in my puff, and never intend to. Were I to come by such a document in print, it would go with the rest of the fiction. :p:D
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As a bit of a geek, I've read a few past manifestos. It's pretty revealing, for instance, to read the Tory manifesto of 1951 and see how decidedly socialist it is in its assumptions - such as the assumption that it is a government's job to provide housing for its people. Despite dissing socialism in every other sentence, it is way to the left of today's Labour party (pretty much the opposite of what we have now, it was the Tories doing their damndest to sound more like Labour). Re-reading the Labour manifesto of 1983 reminds you just how far they have moved. There is little in that manifesto that I object to and a great deal that makes me cheer out loud.
 
brogdale said:
It's the transition away from the 2 (and 2.5) party system that FPTP is designed for. Graphs like this one demonstrate the changes quite well:-

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Interesting that Labour peaked in 1945 ish. I remember my late father saying that Labour sent people out to speak to the troops awaiting demobilisation, he was in Austria at the time, promising the earth for the returning heroes. Labour won the subsequent election.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
As a bit of a geek, I've read a few past manifestos. It's pretty revealing, for instance, to read the Tory manifesto of 1951 and see how decidedly socialist it is in its assumptions - such as the assumption that it is a government's job to provide housing for its people. Despite dissing socialism in every other sentence, it is way to the left of today's Labour party (pretty much the opposite of what we have now, it was the Tories doing their damndest to sound more like Labour). Re-reading the Labour manifesto of 1983 reminds you just how far they have moved. There is little in that manifesto that I object to and a great deal that makes me cheer out loud.
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Indeed. My 'affiliation' to the Conservative party was formed in the early 60s. The Conservative party of then is certainly not the Conservative party of now. The same of course is the case with the Labour party. Their is little pretence now, by either, that they actually give a fuck about the ordinary person.

For me, the day when the ethos changed from being 'elected to serve', and was replaced by 'when we gain power', was the writing on the wall.
 
Sasaferrato said:
Interesting that Labour peaked in 1945 ish. I remember my late father saying that Labour sent people out to speak to the troops awaiting demobilisation, he was in Austria at the time, promising the earth for the returning heroes. Labour won the subsequent election.
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he must have been a very persuasive man
 
All the wooliest vaguest people on my facebook are posting links to things saying how voting is sooooo important (doesn't matter who for apparently) and following up by asking whether they should vote Labour, Green, Lib Dem or 'ooooh, I just don't know!'

Ffs
 
JTG said:
Could we not hate places for being white please? It's idiotic. Ta.
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Yep, but there's a significant gulf between making observations about the demography of an area and disliking those expressing the desire to maintain it in perpetuity.
 
Pickman's model said:
he must have been a very persuasive man
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As always, de-mob was too slow, and the Labour message was persuasive to a bunch of seriously disgruntled squaddies, a lot of whom were conscripted squaddies. My father was deputy Burgh Surveyor of Kilmarnock at the time of WWII, a reserved occupation, but he took the decision to join up. As he put it later, he served in Greece, Egypt, Italy, Austria, Palestine, Lebanon and Libya, and would never have seen these countries otherwise. He started in the Corps of Royal Engineers, then transferred to the Royal Signals, working in cipher.
 
brogdale said:
Yep, but there's a significant gulf between making observations about the demography of an area and disliking those expressing the desire to maintain it in perpetuity.
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I didn't encounter a single non-white pupil in the schools I attended until I was 14, then in Lochaber High, a school of over 900 pupils at the time, there were three Asian lads. Previously I had been at school in the Outer Hebrides.
 
Sasaferrato said:
I didn't encounter a single non-white pupil in the schools I attended until I was 14, then in Lochaber High, a school of over 900 pupils at the time, there were three Asian lads. Previously I had been at school in the Outer Hebrides.
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How have you managed to overcome your provincialism?
 
brogdale said:
How have you managed to overcome your provincialism?
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I haven't really. Where I live now is at least 90% white. We have more Poles than black or brown people.

We lived in Woolwich for 18 months when I was in the army, that is the only time I've lived in an area with a significant non-white population.
 
DotCommunist said:
who is doing this? I like stroud. I've eaten many a pub lunch there with my nan (she's lived there forever), seen the nearby barrowdowns, read laurrie lee etc. My ginger mate lives in a village outside stroud. Brimscombe or something.
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Are you claiming your "ginger mate" as another example of your own multicultural qualities.
 
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