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Part of why people don't get the anti-EU thing, is that proponents tend to not be as openly crazy and LOUD as Cash, Gorman and the rest of Major's awkward squad were. They've even focused to some degree on trying to make a political case that isn't constructed around prejudice, although as it appears to in part be constructed around a grovelling Atlanticism, I'm not sure it's much better than the arguments made by the bonkers wing.
Yeah, that makes sense, tbh. I'd never heard of Carswell before he defected, for instance, but although he looks like the archetypal swivel-eyed loon, he is rather softly spoken. He's not a Cash or Gorman in that regard.
 
I think he will secure a deal for several reasons, not least because the rest of the EU (especially Germany and France) will want to do all they reasonably can to keep Britain in. It may be game of chicken, but there will be a deal on the table. Of that I have no doubt.
I thought this was interesting:

"
Soon after the British election results were known, French President Francois Hollande invited David Cameron to Paris to talk, he said, about the EU, among other things.

France will hope to persuade David Cameron that he does not need treaty change to re-shape Britain's relationship with the EU.

This is less out of French love for the EU project as it stands and more about the fear of populists at home.

Any change to EU treaties has to be put to the people of France in a referendum.

The full force of the popular euro-sceptic, anti-immigrant National Front would be unleashed - terribly close to France's presidential election in which the National Front's leader is a strong contender (though not the favourite).

David Cameron's timetable of 2017 for a UK referendum on the EU also clashes with parliamentary elections in Germany."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32660871
 
The Socialist Party candidate in my constituency did.

He lost his deposit. :(

My point was a little different - not that you should vote Labour or whatever if you're anti-austerity, but that you should not in any circumstances consider voting Tory.
Aye whey, we seem to be in a lifeboat that is getting progressively smaller.
 
A friend put this up on Facebook today (his own account, not a cut and paste) and it's broken me a bit. This is the price of austerity, where the burden of the financial crisis falls whilst estate agencies are letting off the fireworks.

It's embarrassing to suddenly feel yourself crying in front of another person at work.

An hour in, an Iranian refugee. What she went through, I won't repeat, but she must, over and over, to government departments forever. Post traumatic stress disorder, manifesting in her wrist rubber band, pull and release, pull and release, pull and release, over deep scars and stitches on both. Her refugee status granted 4 years ago, thank god, but her family, no such luck. Now, here, alone.

And the state, how does it respond now it has, in its grace, given her permission to flee here. The same brutality as everyone else. The house she was finally able to get, too big, bedroom tax, and for what, there are no cheaper options, already in a mouldy flat. Her sickness benefit stopped, appealed, stopped, appealed, because claiming is too easy. Even when it's in payment, £73 a week to cover bedroom tax, 26% of her council tax bill, food prices increasing - unprecedented in the history of the welfare state, utterly impossible, ever worsening. And now, after today, what more is to come. £12 billion more silent slashing. The cost of 'difficult choices', left at the door of a woman, a refugee, alone, half dead. It's not just refugees, it's millions more, and she's nowhere near the worst.

And in all this, tearfully and sincerely, she says how thankful she is to speak to someone. These problems, we aren't solving them. But thank you, thank you so much for listening.

Impotent, but I cried, and fuck you.
 
if there were apparently 200 eurosceptics among the tory ranks favouring a british exit in october i doubt their number has been greatly diminished by the increased number of tory mps now.
Cameron's going to have a few 'Major moments'?
Now if my understanding is right, given the fixed parliamentary term,Cameron hasn't got the option of calling a mid term ' back me or else' election?
Hubble bubble, crack on:D
 
Now if my understanding is right, given the fixed parliamentary term,Cameron hasn't got the option of calling a mid term ' back me or else' election?

Depends

The 'back me or else' thing Major did was to resign as party leader (and stand for re-election)

I think the fixed term thing does still have an emergency exit clause if the government of the day loses a confidence vote
 
Depends

The 'back me or else' thing Major did was to resign as party leader (and stand for re-election)

I think the fixed term thing does still have an emergency exit clause if the government of the day loses a confidence vote
One possible solution I can see would be Cameron allowing dissent over the EU. He makes a deal with France and Germany and presents it as the best thing to do, names a date for a simple in/out vote, but allows all his MPs to campaign yes/no as they see fit. It could backfire, but if he wins the referendum, he's silenced all his eurosceptic MPs for good.
 
One possible solution I can see would be Cameron allowing dissent over the EU. He makes a deal with France and Germany and presents it as the best thing to do, names a date for a simple in/out vote, but allows all his MPs to campaign yes/no as they see fit. It could backfire, but if he wins the referendum, he's silenced all his eurosceptic MPs for good.

From what I gather that's how the 1975 one worked (I am a bit young to remember it in detail - I remember a fair amount of campaigning to vote either yes or no, but being faintly puzzled about what the question was.)
 
Oh, and the media definitely played some part in the tory victory, Evan was trying to make out on Newsnight, that Cameron had run a moderate govt run from the centre, and allowed the Tory on it to say it will continue on the path, its as if food banks, mass inequality, and suicides didn't exist.

Evan was referring mostly I think to social reforms like gay marriage.

oh, and why didn't labour highlight the shocking toll of the welfare reforms, more,
 
A friend put this up on Facebook today (his own account, not a cut and paste) and it's broken me a bit. This is the price of austerity, where the burden of the financial crisis falls whilst estate agencies are letting off the fireworks.

Labour to its eternal shame did not really highlight the impact of the reforms, thinking maybe quite rightly, it would be crucified by the right wing media.
 
that's what I mean, they created the structures and the narratives,.
Yep, they facilitated this shit. Thatcher facilitated Blair, then Blair facilitated Cameron. It's depressing as hell.

There's a big part of me that thinks Labour needs to go, to be destroyed, the unions disengaging and starting over.
 


Finally - If we can sort this fucking deficit out, and bring in a surplus budget, if we kill off debt - we can free ourselves of around 34 billion in interest repayments a year. That's like our entire welfare budget. Think of what we can do with that money unlocked?

Some of the posters who voted Tory on there genuinely seem to think that when the books are balanced, decent and substantial benefits, etc, will be restored, Cameron has said that he 'wants/will defund the welfare state, so where did they get that idea from?
 
From what I gather that's how the 1975 one worked (I am a bit young to remember it in detail - I remember a fair amount of campaigning to vote either yes or no, but being faintly puzzled about what the question was.)
In short we were lied to, we were asked to vote on a 'common market' not a political union.
 
I'm 19, I voted tory because of my occupation and for my future. I aspire to earn a high salary, fact is under a Labour government, my aspirations are lowered because I would be taxed an obsurd amount for what I will have worked bloody hard for. Nobody is going to aspire to be successful/wealthy if they know they are going to be taxed for half of it.

The authentic voice of a Tory(Boy)

leaving side the tory boy, some of those who voted Tory on that site, sound like you would see them at festivals, tech gatherings, etc, not social misfits.
 
Because I think a lot of the hysterical horror stories on here about the tories are WAAAY overblown. The Tories aren't that bad. They don't hate the poor, they won't privatise the NHS, Thatcher isn't going to be resurrected to steal everyones milk. In fact on the political spectrum I think they are pretty much aligned with Labour except they are more economically competent.



whats coming through on the reddit, which is strangely very amiable, is that the soft tories on there seem to have no awareness of the awful lives of many people at the moment:, foodbanks, sanctions, suicides harassment, etc. Lots seem to be ex students who voted lib dem in 2010.
 
Newsnight interviewed an ex miner in Nuneaton and a female voter who came from three generations of labour voters, they didn't go into detail, but these were not monsters, greedy bastards, etc are far as I could make out.


I'm an ex miner and come from three generations of labour voters and I still couldn't bring mesel to vote for the bastards, but neither could I vote for 'labour' those bastards need to change their name ASAP
I detest the Tories, but the present ' Labour Party' I detest even more, the Tories are at least honest in their ambitions to transfer the public wealth to the private sector, 'labour' seems quite happy to do the same but to overlay it with some mild and vague 'regulations'

Fuck it, it's been a long and disappointing day, mebbes in days to come the Labour Party will remember what it is supposed to represent, though I don't hold me hopes up:(
 
At work today:

24 yo female: I did not vote because I don't give a shit. Who won anyway?

26 yo female: I voted Conservative. I think they are doing the right thing for people who work and because I hate the poor. Just look at them, living off the state thinking they are entitled to everything. Fuck them.

29 yo male: I voted Green, seemed like the right choice.

32 yo female: Labour. I am dreading the future.

53 yo male: I am not telling you.

19 yo apprentice: Why do they call David Cameron a Tory?

ARE BRITAIN.
 
i love it when they claimed to have 'worked bloody hard', as if the rest of the population picking cases twelve hours a day in a warehouse or cleaning the shit off a pensioner's sheets are some sort of slackers. Most of these cunts haven't got the remotest fucking idea what hard work is.
I would love to hear his version of a 'hard days work'
 
At work today:

24 yo female: I did not vote because I don't give a shit. Who won anyway?

26 yo female: I voted Conservative. I think they are doing the right thing for people who work and because I hate the poor. Just look at them, living off the state thinking they are entitled to everything. Fuck them.

29 yo male: I voted Green, seemed like the right choice.

32 yo female: Labour. I am dreading the future.

53 yo male: I am not telling you.

19 yo apprentice: Why do they call David Cameron a Tory?

ARE BRITAIN.
Who are Britain? What a silly question.
 
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