bimble
floofy
I’m sorry. Maybe shouldn’t have passed on unverified stuff like that. I’m sure everyone will be able to get home . Was just thinking about crowd avoidance.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Unverified or vague, but maybe not both at once eh?
bimble
floofy
Yep my bad.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
No, the army aren’t going to impose a lockdown. With the two standby battalions there aren’t enough anyway.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
No, that's not the British Army preparing for lockdown
A number of posts on Facebook and Twitter have went viral (pun intended), all of them share the same misleading image.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
grit
an ugly force for good
SK had mass testing in place very very quickly.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Rumours like this one, you mean?
Cid
Proper break this time
The difference is that SK had a major outbreak a bit earlier, and yet their death rates are slowing... Just 3 recorded today. Or, to use new cases, the UK has +676 cases today (?, possibly yesterday), SK +93 (this even in the context of SK having a far more extensive testing regime). It's very clear if you find the graphs on worldometers.
Take March 8th as an example; SK had more than 7,313 recorded cases, the UK 278. SK has increased by 1100, UK by more than 2000. Obviously those absolute figures don't look too different, but as percentages that's massive. And remember the UK is effectively only picking up serious cases (and maybe contacts with them?) at the moment, whereas SK has tested more than 270,000 people (UK 828 tests/million, SK 5,776 tests/million).
editor
hiraethified
Brixton. Stripped clean by panic buying vultures, FFS
www.brixtonbuzz.com
In photos: Sainsbury’s Brixton Superstore picked clean by panic buyers, 18th March 2020
This is the depressing sight of Sainsbury’s Brixton Superstore, with rows and rows of shelves left completely empty after panic buying shoppers grabbed everything in sight.
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Brixton. Stripped clean by panic buying vultures, FFS
In photos: Sainsbury’s Brixton Superstore picked clean by panic buyers, 18th March 2020
This is the depressing sight of Sainsbury’s Brixton Superstore, with rows and rows of shelves left completely empty after panic buying shoppers grabbed everything in sight.
Much like our local Sains - the only canned food I did manage to get was some smoked oysters that students wouldn’t buy. Not much point in opening to the elderly first thing tomorrow morning if shelves ain’t stocked overnight.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Saw some creature buy 25 eggs in Waitrose. scum.Brixton. Stripped clean by panic buying vultures, FFS
In photos: Sainsbury’s Brixton Superstore picked clean by panic buyers, 18th March 2020
This is the depressing sight of Sainsbury’s Brixton Superstore, with rows and rows of shelves left completely empty after panic buying shoppers grabbed everything in sight.
she kept trying to bullshit her way out of it as well.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Brixton. Stripped clean by panic buying vultures, FFS
In photos: Sainsbury’s Brixton Superstore picked clean by panic buyers, 18th March 2020
This is the depressing sight of Sainsbury’s Brixton Superstore, with rows and rows of shelves left completely empty after panic buying shoppers grabbed everything in sight.
I must say I find some of the panic buying going on in London a bit scary. It epitomises the everyone for themself mentality. Understandable but a bit scary if this gets worse.
I was in Brixton in my off license having a chat this evening. Sainsbury came up.
Said that in the City of London , now no one is there except a few people, I can get stuff from the Tesco / Sainsbury / Boots in the City.
Is London a ghost town now?
Numbers
an ting!
Where I live in Newham is same as ever, apart from McD’s sit down area being closed off.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I was chatting to my friend who runs the off license in Brixton about this government help.
He is still open but his takings have gone down 40% on weekend when Brixton, entertainment centre , is busy.
The government scheme to support small business has not been clarified yet. Also it will be administered by local Councils.
He is concerned by the time the bureaucracy gets round to organising it he will find it hard to survive.
Looks to me the measures the government is putting forward are to timid.
Basically the government needs to underwrite all peoples wages and all small business.
At moment a lot of smalll business and precarious workers are potentially going to go under.
So the whole market based ethic is going to have to be put on hold if people are expected to stop work for several months.
He is still open but his takings have gone down 40% on weekend when Brixton, entertainment centre , is busy.
The government scheme to support small business has not been clarified yet. Also it will be administered by local Councils.
He is concerned by the time the bureaucracy gets round to organising it he will find it hard to survive.
Looks to me the measures the government is putting forward are to timid.
Basically the government needs to underwrite all peoples wages and all small business.
At moment a lot of smalll business and precarious workers are potentially going to go under.
So the whole market based ethic is going to have to be put on hold if people are expected to stop work for several months.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Are you still working mate?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
This is what is happening.
Im surprised how quickly the big business in the City have organised this. The big legal firms and auditing firms. They are paying people to stay at home.
Whole loads of equipment has been moved out to peoples homes. A massive logistical effort in short space of time.
My delivery firm has been busy this week doing that.
This has all been done without any direction from Boris/ government.
I notice two things in London. Local people starting to automously organsising local support groups and big capitalist business organising home working on a large scale whilst still paying the employees.
So the State response in comparison has been pitiful imo.
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Just. Been busy all day. But im getting seriously worried now about next weeks.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Hope we fast get some clarity about how S.K.'s kept her fatalities so low. There's demographic factors -- more infections among younger people and women -- but they don't appear to explain it all. Are they starting supportive treatment earlier? Is there something in their antiviral cocktail? (Maybe administering it earlier to slow viral replication.) Is it a milder strain? Or something else?
I got that as a present recently. It is awful bog roll but satisfying regardless.On a lighter note. Just been to my local shop in Loughborough junction (London). They have managed to get some toilet rolls.View attachment 202223
elbows
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Yeah no current way for me to know if any of those are factors.
A few other possibilities:
Due to their very different testing & contract tracing regime, their total number of cases may be much, much closer to the actual real number of cases than ours.
If you can avoid spread of the disease in hospitals and other institutional settings it can make a notable different to the number of deaths, and these could really affect the statistics even more obviously early in the outbreak, if for example a lot of the first cases you find are a result of an outbreak that affects people in a care home, a big hospital-related cluster etc.
In this case that latter point so far applies more obviously to South Korea than the UK, making the low number of South Korea deaths even more remarkable. I've found it very hard to keep up with news regarding clusters in different countries recently, which is bad because institutional outbreaks can be a big factor that changes the burden. But at the point where I lost touch with the full South Korea story around 25th Feb, 7 out of the 10 deaths they had recorded at the time were from an outbreak in the mental health ward of a hospital.
And when it comes to the UK on this point, I havent seen much talk of institutional outbreaks at all yet - some hints here and there, but I get the idea I would have to read a lot of local press and read between lines to pick up on these. That might change, eg we have started to hear about individual prisoner/prison officer cases, there is always the fear that one of those will turn into something far more. As for hospitals, I dont feel like we are being provide with much of a picture really. Same with care homes. I dont know what to expect in regards of future reporting on such things.
Cid
Proper break this time
Tbh I think a major component of it is just testing. Many published figures are crude mortality rates, so just deaths/number of people tested positive. That figure is essentially meaningless without a lot of interpretation.
elbows
Well-Known Member
So following on from my previous thoughts, in order to understand the burden other countries have faced, we need to understand not just something about the timing of their epidemics, their testing regimes, timing of lockdowns, societal and behavioural differences, demographics, state surveillance etc, but we also need to understand their institutions. For example I know absolutely nothing about care homes in South Korea. And I dont know what their protocols are for testing healthcare workers. These things can be big difference makers.
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