General Coronavirus (COVID-19) chat

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

given that Muslim leaders in Ireland have requested permission for 500 people to gather and celebrate Eid in Croke Park, perhaps the government doesn’t trust them to be sensible?

So because some Muslims somewhere have requested permission for a gathering, presumably with a plan for distancing and the recognition that if it's declined it won't happen, some other Muslims somewhere else can't be trusted?

 

[Teaboy]

so 500 people gathering isn’t a problem?

Ireland will have its own guidelines and rules. Every country makes different political decisions. Personally I'm very risk averse and I don't think gatherings of 500 people are a good idea. The point is though the risk of transmission outside compared to inside is trivial regardless of the ethnicity of those involved and how much the government "trusts" (your word) them.

Note the UK government has not changed the rules about meeting people outside with the restrictions its placed on certain Northern areas. Its just in the house where the majority of transmission takes place and where the greatest risk to life is.

 

[blameless77]

So because some Muslims somewhere have requested permission for a gathering, presumably with a plan for distancing and the recognition that if it's declined it won't happen, some other Muslims somewhere else can't be trusted?

that’s not what I’m suggesting, but well done on the dog whistle. I do think that the timing is a consideration though. It is Eid, and therefore people will gather if they’re not given information about whether it’s putting them at risk.

 

[Teaboy]

I do think that the timing is a consideration though. It is Eid, and therefore people will gather if they’re not given information about whether it’s putting them at risk.

I agree with you on that and the messaging as been as rubbish as it has throughout. They've panicked and its still frustratingly reactive instead of proactive. The situation is as it is though and I do think action needed to be taken.

 

[Badgers]

I agree with you on that and the messaging as been as rubbish as it has throughout. They've panicked and its still frustratingly reactive instead of proactive. The situation is as it is though and I do think action needed to be taken.

Did the situation change drastically in 24-48-72 hours or could the 'reporting' have given some warning? Given people and businesses some time to plan?

Perhaps the government saw the numbers rising and chose to ignore them as they have done most the warnings throughout the shitshow?

 

[Badgers]

Its just in the house where the majority of transmission takes place and where the greatest risk to life is.

Where does the virus come from to enter the house?

 

[Teaboy]

Did the situation change drastically in 24-48-72 hours or could the 'reporting' have given some warning? Given people and businesses some time to plan?

Perhaps the government saw the numbers rising and chose to ignore them as they have done most the warnings throughout the shitshow?

cupid_stunt posted numbers up to 19th July on the UK lockdown thread it also states what they were previously. Most places are going up as you would expect but some places are going up fast. Personally I have no doubt this is about EId hence the panicked 10pm announcement.

Should they have acted earlier? Most likely but as I say they've been horribly reactive throughout. The data I mention though is pretty damning and doing nothing would have been as criminal as it was back in early March.

 

[Badgers]

Should they have acted earlier?
Should they be stripped of their roles?
Should the government be removed completely?
Should they be going to prison?

 

[Teaboy]

Where does the virus come from to enter the house?

Asymptomatic carriers will e a lot of it also working age adults who work in high risk and poorly paid jobs I would guess is the most likely.

We know a lot of people, especially younger people can have the virus without knowing. We also know regardless of ethnicity that younger people (teens & 20's) are not very good at the whole social distancing thing etc. They're out and about mixing and passing the virus around and then they bring it back into the house. This is a major problem if gran and gramps live in the family house. Also the thing about existing respiratory conditions due to living in polluted areas.

 

[Badgers]

Asymptomatic carriers will e a lot of it also working age adults who work in high risk and poorly paid jobs I would guess is the most likely.

We know a lot of people, especially younger people can have the virus without knowing. We also know regardless of ethnicity that younger people (teens & 20's) are not very good at the whole social distancing thing etc. They're out and about mixing and passing the virus around and then they bring it back into the house. This is a major problem if gran and gramps live in the family house. Also the thing about existing respiratory conditions due to living in polluted areas.

So the house is a secondary issue?

 

[Badgers]

Disgraced Prime Minister Johnson:

We have to explain things clearly. That's why it's 'hands, face, space' and get a test.

'clearly'

 

[elbows]

I would never call multi-generational household stuff a secondary issue in this pandemic, its up there with all the other important factors. And these angles are not going away so we may as well get used to talking about them and appreciating the full context of the various local measures as they happen.

 

[Badgers]

Boris Johnson delays lockdown easing measures in England by two weeks

After lockdown measures were tightened in parts of the north of England, the prime minister announced that the August 1 target to open some businesses, such as casinos and skating rinks, have been put back by at least two weeks

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[cupid_stunt]

I would never call multi-generational household stuff a secondary issue in this pandemic, its up there with all the other important factors. And these angles are not going away so we may as well get used to talking about them and appreciating the full context of the various local measures as they happen.

I remember reading when it first took off in Italy that multi-generational households were a particular issue in the spread, so it should come as no surprise it's the same here.

 

[Badgers]

I would never call multi-generational household stuff a secondary issue in this pandemic, its up there with all the other important factors. And these angles are not going away so we may as well get used to talking about them and appreciating the full context of the various local measures as they happen.

For some communities multi-generational households are a norm. A late lockdown and mismanagement of the crisis by our disgraced government put us all at risk. Blaming peoples 'living habits' is inexcusable. I know 'we are where we are' but the late lockdown and appalling travel sanctions have caused this. If there needs to be more lock-downs they HAVE to be better communicated and managed.

Doubt that Disgraced Prime Minister Johnson or Death Secretary ManCock were even away of the issue until the last minute. Too busy looking after their own and their friends wealth.

 

[cupid_stunt]

For some communities multi-generational households are a norm. A late lockdown and mismanagement of the crisis by our disgraced government put us all at risk. Blaming peoples 'living habits' is inexcusable. I know 'we are where we are' but the late lockdown and appalling travel sanctions have caused this. If there needs to be more lock-downs they HAVE to be better communicated and managed.

Of course, the late lockdown & other cock-ups caused it to be so much worst, but that has little to do with the current spikes we are seeing in certain areas, there's very specific reasons for that, and it includes multi-generational households.

I've not seen any examples of anyone blaming people for their 'living habits' as such, it's just a factor in these spikes.

 

[Badgers]

there's very specific reasons for that, and it includes multi-generational households

Yes. It is their fault.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yes. It is their fault.

No, it's not, it's just a factor, and needs to be noted, for the benefit of the communities concerned, because of the risk to the older generations living in those homes.

 

[Badgers]

No, it's not, it's just a factor, and needs to be noted, for the benefit of the communities concerned, because of the risk to the older generations living in those homes.

What about young people in house shares who have no chance of buying or renting a home?

 

[Badgers]

May 2020: Hancock: “Our app will be up and running by mid-May”
Johnson: “We’ll have a world-beating track and trace system by 1 June”
July 2020: “Hands, face, space, something... I dunno... you’re on your own”

But those bloody 'multi-generational households'

 

[Badgers]

No, it's not, it's just a factor, and needs to be noted, for the benefit of the communities concerned, because of the risk to the older generations living in those homes.

What about warehouse/factory workers who have to carpool or take the bus to work?

 

[cupid_stunt]

What about young people in house shares who have no chance of buying or renting a home?

I am struggling to see a connection here, young people are at lower risk, but, clearly no one should be blamed for their living situation.

It would be like blaming people in high risk jobs, for working in those jobs, if they catch it.

 

[Badgers]

I am struggling to see a connection here, young people are at lower risk, but, clearly no one should be blamed for their living situation.

Currently house shares are not the reserve of the 'low risk' young as I am sure you well aware.

 

[Badgers]

It is just disgusting that multi-generational people share a house and they should know better

 

[cupid_stunt]

It is just disgusting that multi-generational people share a house and they should know better

I think the heat has got to you, mate.

 

[Badgers]

I think the heat has got to you, mate.

No. It is the disgraced governments failings that get to me.

 

[Supine]

What about warehouse/factory workers who have to carpool or take the bus to work?

What about us?

 

[Badgers]

Look at all those multi-generational people sharing a beach

 

[Badgers]

What about us?

It seems to some you are the problem

 

[cupid_stunt]

Look at all those multi-generational people sharing a beach

Luckily we haven't seen any spikes from crowded beaches, nor from the BLM protests, and it's widely excepted that the risk of transmission outdoors is low.

Household transmission, however, is very high.