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Not sure Boris can stamp his foot and magically make doctors and nurses appear. Unlike SPADs I understand these guys require some years of training before seeing patients.


Until it turns out that £2.9bn of it has been appropriated from somewhere else, or they were going to be spending it anyway. This lot have a bit of a track record for that kind of shit.

allow the NHS to continue using additional private hospital capacity

This looks like the key scam here, especially considering that private hospitals usually leach off the NHS anyway via poaching staff and using its kit.
 
Not sure Boris can stamp his foot and magically make doctors and nurses appear. Unlike SPADs I understand these guys require some years of training before seeing patients.
Maybe he can get some in from Eur...oh, no, he fucked that one, didn't he? Well, there's all those nurses and doctors in Africa. There won't be any problem bringing loads of them in, will there? Oh.

Ah well, I expect we've got loads of UK students and trainees in the pipeline...what's that? We've made medicine such an unpopular option - and priced the training out of the market - that fewer people are doing it?

Whoops.
 
Well its certainly true that the Telegraph cannot be trusted, and have proven numerous times that this expecially applies to all things lockdown and pandemic. If they'd had their way we'd never have had lockdown at all.

The study doesnt prove anything and at least one of its authors has been used multiple times for various anti-lockdown angles in the past. However I would not completely exclude all of the possibilities it is getting at. If we never end up having huge subsequent waves then some of the stuff they suggest could be why. But I wouldnt use it to predict anything in advance.
 
The number of new cases of coronavirus rose by almost 260,000 in 24 hours - the largest single-day increase since the pandemic began, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Saturday.

According to the WHO, this is the first time the number of new daily infections has surpassed a quarter of a million.

The biggest increases were in the US, Brazil, India and South Africa.
 
My brother is having what I believe is a walking break down. He has also had a physical collapse at work. Complete exhaustion and stressed out from having dealt with covid19 patients for the past 18 weeks. His hip and knee are fucked and he just looks haunted. 🙁

I cannot understand people whinging about masks and whining about not getting abroad on holidays this year.
I spoke with him on facetime earlier and he looks so tired and worried. All his colleagues are exhausted. They are terrified of facing into a second wave. I dont blame them.
 
I thought uk was 123 yesterday, but no idea on the others.
Eta actually doubting myself on 123 now. Greece was 0. But positive cases rising now due partly to tourism opening up. 26 positive tests there yesterday, 10 were tourists arriving.
 
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Depressingly, the Irish government has decided that 2m social distancing wont be necessary in Primary or indeed secondary schools.

They announced plans for reopening in late August / Sept.
No requirement to wear masks despite everyone being told to wear masks on public transport and in shops and indoor gatherings.

Somehow the dept of Education knows that the virus just doesnt function in schools.

😳

Eta. The layput above is a joke. Everyone knows no kid likes sitting where 2 desks meet. The table legs become a nuisance and the edges of the desks butted against each other are a pain if you need to write on a page on top of them. Kids will move to sit either left or right of that point.

It also assumes all kids sit rigidly all day in their spot.
Naive and frankly dangerous thinking.
Looks like a plan for disease spreading .
 
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Depressingly, the Irish government has decided that 2m social distancing wont be necessary in Primary or indeed secondary schools.

They announced plans for reopening in late August / Sept.
No requirement to wear masks despite everyone being told to wear masks on public transport and in shops and indoor gatherings.

Somehow the dept of Education knows that the virus just doesnt function in schools.

😳

Eta. The layput above is a joke. Everyone knows no kid likes sitting where 2 desks meet. The table legs become a nuisance and the edges of the desks butted against each other are a pain if you need to write on a page on top of them. Kids will move to sit either left or right of that point.

It also assumes all kids sit rigidly all day in their spot.
Naive and frankly dangerous thinking.
Looks like a plan for disease spreading .
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Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me
I meant to ask will that work? I feel deep worry for any teacher as surely they need to be checking the pupils work whilst they are doing it and many could be asymptomatic. It sounds like Daniel confronting the lions den. I don't think I'd want to be a teacher in any country right now. This could be the beginning of a very serious outbreak when Ireland over many other countries seems to have contained it quite well compared to other countries.
God willing this will not start to spread from the so seemed healthy to the sick. My personal opinion is that this next term should be online teaching, despite the complications from very dodgy internet and parents who don't really have an investment in their kids education. I'm very glad not to have kids of primary or secondary age in this time.
 
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Telegraph (I know) and Matt 'Northern Rock' Ridley (I know) but at least an optimistic spin to go with your brekkie...

5 reasons why the coronavirus nightmare may soon be over
From vaccine triumphs to leadership learning curves, we can finally dare to hope for a breakthrough


MATT RIDLEY
25 July 2020 • 7:00pm
Like the ancient mariner, the virus refuses to leave us alone. Resurging in Blackburn, Spain, and America, it is still going to be around here when the winter comes. As we head indoors, it will be back for a dreaded second wave, disguised among a host of colds and flus. Yet I am now optimistic that the nightmare will end this year or at least by the spring. Here are five reasons.

First, vaccine trials were promising. Having proved safe and capable of raising both a T-cell response and an antibody response, Oxford University’s vaccine, developed in collaboration with Astrazeneca, is now more likely to succeed than to fail, so long as its side effects are manageable in the elderly. And behind it comes a stream of other vaccines, some of which will surely work.

The second reason for hope is that, as Oxford University’s epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta has argued, herd immunity may be achieved more easily than we first thought. Indeed, from the way that infections have continued to dwindle despite lessening social distancing it seems probable that herd immunity has already been achieved in London at least. Half the population could be immune already because of recent exposure to coronavirus colds, while children seem to resist catching Covid-19, let alone passing it on. As the chief medical officer Chris Whitty has conceded, the epidemic was already in retreat before lockdown began. That is because the virus depends heavily on a few superspreaders, and pre-lockdown measures we were taking in March are remarkably effective: no handshakes, frequent hand washing, no large gatherings and so on.

So the third reason for optimism is that as long as we continue with these measures then this virus will struggle to keep spreading in the community. The one place where the virus did spread with horrible ease was in care homes and hospitals. Why was this? T-cell senescence is an issue, so old people’s immune systems are just not as good at coping with this kind of infection, and there were dreadful policy mistakes made, like stopping testing people, clearing patients out of hospitals to care homes without tests, and assuming no asymptomatic transmission. Healthcare and care home staff were not properly protected and were allowed to go from site to site. Many were infected and became carriers.

The fourth cause for cheer is therefore that now we know about asymptomatic transmission, we have more protective equipment and we have a better, if still imperfect, capacity to test, track and isolate cases, it is likely that the hospital-acquired epidemic of the spring will not be repeated.

My fifth excuse for being hopeful is that we now know better how to treat people who get seriously ill. Ventilation is not necessarily the answer, blood clotting is a real threat, making patients lie face down is helpful, dexamethasone can save lives and some antiviral drugs are showing promise.

These are reasons that even if a lot of people catch the virus this winter, fewer will die. Colds and flu viruses usually peak in mid winter when we are indoors. Viruses survive longer in colder and drier conditions, and centrally heated air dries out our protective mucus membranes. Covid-19 will certainly be hoping to peak then. But Australia offers a glimmer of reassurance. It’s winter there now, and this is proving to be the country’s weakest flu season on record. From January to the end of June, 21,000 Australians were diagnosed with flu. Last year more than 132,000 people were diagnosed in the same period. Social distancing is presumably the main reason. If that is repeated here, then not only will Covid have fewer flus and colds to hide behind, but it too will struggle to mount a seasonal peak. And fewer people will die from flu.

If we can beat this virus, then we can beat most respiratory ones. The ridiculous way in which we tolerate cold-spreaders, mocking them for taking a day off and praising them for trudging into work while feeling miserable, has to stop. It should be socially unacceptable to go to a party with a cold, let alone kiss the host on the cheek when you get there. Our children’s permanently runny noses need not be inevitable.

Ten years from now, I predict that we will not only have defeated Covid-19, but made colds rarer too.

Our bigger challenge this winter will be to tackle the backlog of treating cancer and other medical problems delayed by Covid. And to unleash economic growth to help those who lost their jobs.
 
Second part of this quote I agree with - I've been avoiding meeting people with colds cos I'm so pissed off with getting them. First part though the fact that it's the Torygraph oozes through. "praising them for trudging into work" - fuck that they know they often won't get paid and will get a black mark against them from bosses.

The ridiculous way in which we tolerate cold-spreaders, mocking them for taking a day off and praising them for trudging into work while feeling miserable, has to stop. It should be socially unacceptable to go to a party with a cold, let alone kiss the host on the cheek when you get there.
 
The ridiculous way in which we tolerate cold-spreaders, mocking them for taking a day off and praising them for trudging into work while feeling miserable, has to stop. It should be socially unacceptable to go to a party with a cold, let alone kiss the host on the cheek when you get there. Our children’s permanently runny noses need not be inevitable.
Yeah, I remember a member of staff at the school I worked in boasting about never having a day off and going in with the sniffs and sneezes. Management would hold them as an example of commitment and high standards, when they were actually irresponsible and ignorant.
 
One question I have is how is the nations immune system?

It is great that we are washing/sanitising hands more and masks are an essential part of stopping the virus. However there will (I assume) be the annual flu and colds coming up this winter and a large % of people have been limiting time with people and public places. The tube or bus is a petri dish of germs (for example) but travelling on it Mon-Fri throughout the year must have toughened up our immune systems to a degree?
 
Interesting situation down under, where because of social distancing, there's been a massive drop in flu cases.

On Newstalk Breakfast this morning however, Dr Ray Walley, a member of the GP Expert Advisory Group on COVID-19 said there are causes for optimism coming from other countries.

“There is good news coming from Australia and in New Zealand where I don’t think there have been any recorded cases of flu,” he said. “They are coming to the end of their winter over there.” “In Australia there has been very little flu. That has been the benefit of the lack of congregation that we have all adhered to, so that is good news.”

Data from New Zealand indicates that while some people have been reporting flu-like symptoms over the winter period, there has been a huge drop compared to previous years. Similarly, data from Australia shows a major drop in laboratory confirmed flu cases between April and July.

 
That Donald Triump Jr banned video.

For information and I have no idea of the veracity of what is being said or why and it is very telling that all MSM has removed this with only Shitebart wishing to publicise this and it is the Tea Party Patriots who organised this so it is not that they don't have a very pointed agenda. The gist is that there is a cure for COVID and Fauci has suppressed it.

I am listening to it and sounds fairly barking so have refrained from posting it further.

 
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