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Hey Diatribe do you know any who died from Aids, Flesh eating bacteria, antibiotic resistant bacteria or Ebola
are these all deep state fake stories?

:hmm:
 
A strand of RNA in a candy shell - no wonder life got going on earth when it had barely cooled-down and had no spare oxygen...
 
SheilaNaGig said:
Diatribe

Reading back, you did say that. And no doubt you’re correct inasmuch as prior to HIV/AIDS being recognised as a novel virus people were not diagnosed with it as an underlying predisposing condition. So I stand corrected.

And yes, there is some speculation (on here and elsewhere) that C-19;may have been circulating unnoticed for some time before it was identified. But even if that’s true, it would have been fairly recent and in any case makes no difference to the current situation (a global viral pandemic).

Even if it’s been around for decades (it hasn’t) the situation we’re currently dealing with is a pandemic. The detail (whether it’s swine flu or some other virus altogether) doesn’t make it less of a pandemic.

So your argument (if it’s been round for longer than we realise, then it’s not really as serious as everyone is saying... is that what you’re saying?) makes no sense.

But I may be wrong about what you’re saying.

May I suggest that if you were to drop the high-falutin’ delivery of your ideas and opinions it would be easier to understand what they are.
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I’m not sure the early spread thing is that credible anymore... In any case it was looking at there possibly being a month or two in it (and more in terms of spread from China than date of origin). Iirc it was mainly in reference to the theories that argued for much wider infection rates, which seem increasingly unlikely as more studies are carried out.
 
Diatribe said:
No, it isn't , but et al can also be used as an abbreviation for et alia, et alii, or et aliae meaning ''and others'' If there are any other words and terms you think I might be using inaccurately, I'd be grateful for your clarification in order to enable me to make the necessary corrections, thank you.

With ref. my mode of writing, do you think I should get in the programme with one of them thar new fangled mobile phones and learn moronspeak:)
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No you've mastered 'moronspeak'; it's more grammar and punctuation that you seem to have some difficulties with. Once you've got to grips with that shortcoming, you could then turn your attention to the actual content of your ramblings; focussing on skills such as researching into and providing sources for your half arsed assertions would be a start.

Louis MacNeice
 
Cid said:
I’m not sure the early spread thing is that credible anymore... In any case it was looking at there possibly being a month or two in it (and more in terms of spread from China than date of origin). Iirc it was mainly in reference to the theories that argued for much wider infection rates, which seem increasingly unlikely as more studies are carried out.
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Yeah... I agree, should have said “was...” rather than “is some speculation”.

And of course a great deal of this is going to be confirmation bias but I’m hearing a fair few people (on here and IRL) saying “I think I had it back in x” with x being some version of before it all kicked off.

Certainly there was some kind of nasty chesty coronavirus going round last winter. (I say certainly because why not. It’s anecdotal but anyway). By which I mean some kind of lingering intermittent respiratory tract infection that made people feel fatigued and feverish, with the significant characteristics being chesty and intermittent.

I’m saying it was a coronavirus because the intermittent nature is a characteristic of (some) coronaviruses. Please don’t ask me to find a source for that cos I can’t bloomin find it despite looking! I know it’s a real thing thing but the internet search functions are swamped with the current C-19 thing so any search for *coronavirus intermittent * is doomed to be a billion pages long, with the bit I’m looking for somewhere at the far end in amongst the dust and dross. So as before whenever I’ve mentioned this, just apply your own observations & experiences of having that cold that seems to get better , then you get “another cold” really soon after the first one. In most cases, that’s not a second cold it’s the same one bouncing, a coronavirus.

But, I know we have plenty on here who know far more than I do about this etc disclaimers


ION
I found some Christmas diced venison in the freezer, and a slow cooker that I forgot about. So I’m making a venison slow cooked stew. And listening to Tim Buckley.
 
Often hard to know the facts given the government spin, msm bollocks and social media :hmm:

918 deaths today :(

Given it it bank holiday weekend and likely a reduced are the administration/reporting accurate?

Are the figures being reported here only from those people who have been tested and have died in hospital?

Do they include NHS staff?
People who were not tested?
People who have died at home?
People who have died in care homes, hospice, respite centers?
 
SheilaNaGig said:
Yeah... I agree, should have said “was...” rather than “is some speculation”.

And of course a great deal of this is going to be confirmation bias but I’m hearing a fair few people (on here and IRL) saying “I think I had it back in x” with x being some version of before it all kicked off.

Certainly there was some kind of nasty chesty coronavirus going round last winter. (I say certainly because why not. It’s anecdotal but anyway). By which I mean some kind of lingering intermittent respiratory tract infection that made people feel fatigued and feverish, with the significant characteristics being chesty and intermittent.

I’m saying it was a coronavirus because the intermittent nature is a characteristic of (some) coronaviruses. Please don’t ask me to find a source for that cos I can’t bloomin find it despite looking! I know it’s a real thing thing but the internet search functions are swamped with the current C-19 thing so any search for *coronavirus intermittent * is doomed to be a billion pages long, with the bit I’m looking for somewhere at the far end in amongst the dust and dross. So as before whenever I’ve mentioned this, just apply your own observations & experiences of having that cold that seems to get better , then you get “another cold” really soon after the first one. In most cases, that’s not a second cold it’s the same one bouncing, a coronavirus.

But, I know we have plenty on here who know far more than I do about this etc disclaimers


ION
I found some Christmas diced venison in the freezer, and a slow cooker that I forgot about. So I’m making a venison slow cooked stew. And listening to Tim Buckley.
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Yeah, I remember a friend of mine had it around November I think... We share workshop space in the same building, so usually also share diseases - I didn't get it, so thought it might be flu (I get the jab), but equally I had a hellish cough a couple of years back, so could have been similar to that (i.e I might have immunity). Total speculation of course, but yeah... broad point is that every year there are loads of the things knocking about, and the fact someone had a severe cough would be entirely unremarkable except in the context of what's happened since.
 
Diatribe said:
I think its possible there's have been an overreaction, Coronavirus may well have been around since time immemorial and only recently diagnosed as such. A similar analogy would be AIDS, where prior to the early 1980's it was erroneously diagnosed as Pneumonia et al. Had the likes of Rock Hudson, Liberace died a few yrs. earlier, their death certificates would have been stamped Pneumonia. What is now occurring is unprecedented and there have been many other fatal diseases/viruses around in the last 100 yrs. since the so called Spanish Flue. Incidentally, it was named the Spanish Flue because Spain was one of the few countries around at the time with an uncensored media that was actually reporting their true death toll.

As previously stated, this is a big story for the media and it is in their interest to create mass hysteria and run it as long as possible. Creating fear in people definitely helps sell newspapers and upgrade their TV ratings. After all, what have they normally got to report on, who's going to win the next Big Brother extravaganza , the Queen has a cold, Prince Harry is unhappy with his marriage, Donald Trump is sporting a new wig et al. It also coincides with a deep economic recession, which will become known as the Coronavirus recession, as opposed to yet another capitalist fuck up by the elite few running the economy,, thereby enabling the status quo of the financial system to survive relatively unscathed.

Maybe scam is too harsh a word, but convenient nevertheless.
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Hmmm... some interesting points there.

I’ve heard this virus is going to make the Great Depression look like a picnic.

Also, tinfoilers are saying that this virus could usher in UBI as it’s part of global enslavement plans or something.
 
Badgers said:
Often hard to know the facts given the government spin, msm bollocks and social media :hmm:

918 deaths today :(

Given it it bank holiday weekend and likely a reduced are the administration/reporting accurate?

Are the figures being reported here only from those people who have been tested and have died in hospital?
Do they include NHS staff?
People who were not tested?
People who have died at home?
People who have died in care homes, hospice, respite centers?
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The Scottish figures include all deaths where Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate. English figures are only deaths that have occurred in hospitals after a positive test. Not sure about Wales and NI. The true figure must surely be considerably over a thousand a day already.
 
weepiper said:
The Scottish figures include all deaths where Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate. English figures are only deaths that have occurred in hospitals after a positive test. Not sure about Wales and NI. The true figure must surely be considerably over a thousand a day already.
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Its a bit of a confusing subject. The April 2nd changes to their daily reporting system were to improve the timing (not having to wait for confirmation that next of kin have been informed). But this system still requires a positive Covid-19 test in order for the death to count.

www.gov.scot

New process for reporting COVID-19 deaths

New system in place.
www.gov.scot www.gov.scot

So unless there has been a further change since then, its still broadly a similar setup to England. In that deaths where Covid-19 is mentioned on death certificate but there was no positive test, wont show up in the daily numbers. We will get to see them via the ONS in England, and presumably whatever the Scottish equivalent of that is. With much further lag, eg when I last looked at the England ONS data, it was a largely pointless exercise, and when that changes I'm sure I will talk about it here excessively.

Please do let me know if there has been a subsequent change in Scotland that I missed, cheers.
 
OK here is Scotlands ONS equivalent, that will include deaths where Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate.

Deaths involving COVID-19 statistics published by National Records of Scotland | National Records of Scotland

National Records of Scotland
www.nrscotland.gov.uk www.nrscotland.gov.uk

Like the ONS, its a weekly thing, so we have to contrast these figures with the daily figures, but can only do it properly when weeks of lag are allowed for.

Screenshot 2020-04-12 at 12.33.41.png

By contrast, up to the end of that period the daily figure (which requires a positive test) had only reached 296. But there was lag in that number too, and likely still some unreported cases to be added to the NRS report for that period.
 
Louis MacNeice said:
No you've mastered 'moronspeak'; it's more grammar and punctuation that you seem to have some difficulties with. Once you've got to grips with that shortcoming, you could then turn your attention to the actual content of your ramblings; focussing on skills such as researching into and providing sources for your half arsed assertions would be a start.

Louis MacNeice
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Well, Mr/Ms, Louis Fuckwit Macneice, Autumn Journalist, no less, as previously stated to SheilaNaGig, who also cast aspersions on my grammatical skills. ''If there are any other words and terms you think I might be using inaccurately, I'd be grateful for your clarification in order to enable me to make the necessary corrections, thank you. '' In your case, I'll amend the aforementioned to include ''grammar and punctuation.''

For the record, there's is no intentional pretentiousness in my mode of writing, I've never altered my style of writing since school leaving age. If I left a note out for the milkman, it would be written in exactly the same vein.

NB. I won't further contribute to this thread, because as one poster poignantly stated, it is in danger of becoming the ''Diatribe show'', which was never my intention. Maybe I'll contribute to other threads when I have mastered the art of the quote function.
 
Diatribe said:
Well, Mr/Ms, Louis Fuckwit Macneice, Autumn Journalist, no less, as previously stated to SheilaNaGig, who also cast aspersions on my grammatical skills. ''If there are any other words and terms you think I might be using inaccurately, I'd be grateful for your clarification in order to enable me to make the necessary corrections, thank you. '' In your case, I'll amend the aforementioned to include ''grammar and punctuation.''

For the record, there's is no intentional pretentiousness in my mode of writing, I've never altered my style of writing since school leaving age. If I left a note out for the milkman, it would be written in exactly the same vein.

NB. I won't further contribute to this thread, because as one poster poignantly stated, it is in danger of becoming the ''Diatribe show'', which was never my intention. Maybe I'll contribute to other threads when I have mastered the art of the quote function.
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More poorly executed circumlocution and still no research; mastering the quote function is the least of your worries.

Cheerio - Louis MacNeice
 
Louis MacNeice said:
More poorly executed circumlocution and still no research; mastering the quote function is the least of your worries.

Cheerio - Louis MacNeice
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I will exercise my right to having the last word on this matter. Your feeling the need to hide behind the cloak of anonymity of a noted and deceased playwright jus' about sums up your inadequate character. I suppose we can be thankful for tender mercies that you didn't deem it necessary to adopt the pseudonym of Clarence Darrow to advance your phoney libertarian credentials.
 
Diatribe said:
I will exercise my right to having the last word on this matter. Your feeling the need to hide behind the cloak of anonymity of a noted and deceased playwright jus' about sums up your inadequate character. I suppose we can be thankful for tender mercies that you didn't deem it necessary to adopt the pseudonym of Clarence Darrow to advance your phoney libertarian credentials.
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Sorry Mx Diatribe, we'll all start posting under our real names now.
 
I want to see an example of a note to the milkman.

Also, imo the word poignantly was used very oddly.

Also, apologies to Diatribe for the hazing. It's pretty normal for newcomers to get roughed up a bit, especially those who leap in with loud opinionated declarations. Don't take it personally, it's not you, it's us.

Also, if this really is the way they write naturally and it's not as affected and laboured as it seems, then I guess we'll just have to get used to it. Maybe they're a steampunk. Isn't this the way steampunks talk? All faux-Victorian? So maybe were out of order for attacking a cultural characteristic, or an inadvertent personal foible. I'll back off on the delivery.

I hope the content improves though.
 
Diatribe said:
I will exercise my right to having the last word on this matter. Your feeling the need to hide behind the cloak of anonymity of a noted and deceased playwright jus' about sums up your inadequate character. I suppose we can be thankful for tender mercies that you didn't deem it necessary to adopt the pseudonym of Clarence Darrow to advance your phoney libertarian credentials.
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That's really really funny; not intentionally so but nonetheless really really funny. Still no research going on, just more half arsed assertions.

As if MacNeice is remembered primarily as a playwright.

As if I have claimed libertarian credentials.

As if you have rights to last words on a bulletin board...you verbose twit.

Cheerio - Louis MacNeice
 
Louis MacNeice said:
That's really really funny; not intentionally so but nonetheless really really funny. Still no research going on, just more half arsed assertions.

As if MacNeice is remembered primarily as a playwright.

As if I have claimed libertarian credentials.

As if you have rights to last words on a bulletin board...you verbose twit.

Cheerio - Louis MacNeice
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I fully appreciate that I stated I wouldn't further post on this thread, but I just can't resist this invitation from a fuckwit who has the temerity to question my command of the English language, particularly with ref. to poor punctuation.

''That's really really funny; not intentionally so but nonetheless really really funny..''

Surely you mean, That's really, really funny, not intentionally so, but nonetheless, really, really funny.

''As if MacNeice is remembered primarily as a playwright.''

I was merely utilising, in your words, circumlocution. Perhaps you would have preferred me to have copied and pasted the full repertoire of the life and times of Frederick Louis Macneice.

''As if I have claimed libertarian credentials.

There may well be a school of thought that would subscribe to your choosing the pseudonym of a person with libertarian views, you may also be of the same persuasion.

''As if you have rights to last words on a bulletin board...you verbose twit.''

Silly me, of course you would want the opportunity to dig an even larger hole to bury yourself.
 
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