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I was idly watching Flightradar24 the other day when someone mentioned the French air force were doing exercises including in-air refuelling and I wondered about some of the light(er) aircraft -

.. actually I wonder what some of the large aircraft are carrying ... I went to look today when I actually noticed a couple of contrails - I live right under some major flightpaths and the Airbuses taking off and landing at Lulsgate can be fairly noisy at 4,000 feet or so but these were big planes at 12,000 feet ...
 
gentlegreen said:
So - although you claim to approve of the social services as well as personal firearms - so let's cut to the chase ... what of Jordan Peterson and "man" stuff ?
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I can't recall claiming to approve of either social services or firearms, I think you may be confusing me with some one else. I merely indicated that the aforementioned, amongst a number of others, were services/rights that the media had played a major role in persuading successive govs. over the past 30 yrs. in depriving the British people of. You surely don't believe that govs, as opposed to the media hold sway in the UK, do you.

With regards Jordan Peterson and ''man'' stuff, I'm not familiar with either , therefore couldn't possibly comment upon.
 
bimble said:
Come on then. Who benefits, who are They, who is it that is perpetrating the Great Coronavirus Scam on us. Spell it out please.
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Well, for a start, the big business conglomerates will ultimately benefit, if for no other reason, an awful lot of their small business competitors will be wiped out, or perhaps you believe that as seen on TV, what is currently transpiring will only last a few wks. No-one knows how long the current status quo will last, or how the end game will be played out. As with Brexit, where the gov. thought a Remain vote was a done deal, there is no exit plan.

Most of the proletariat are enslaved in debt for the duration of their lives and totally reliant on their wages/salary to maintain these debts, how long do you think the banks et al are going to carry them before foreclosing on their properties, cars, etc. Even if they were of this persuasion, it would merely increase their debts and in some cases, make them insurmountable Who is going to take the responsibility of standing up and stating, ''D'accord chaps, its all over, back to work and play'' There's always winners and losers in every situation, who do you think the smart money will be on, the banks and big business corporations that own 90% of the wealth, or the 90% that own 10% of the wealth.
 
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Right. So the ‘Great Coronavirus Scam’ is being perpetrated by big business and bankers to emiserate the masses. What is the scam part that is what I’m asking you. Is it that you think all this is being done on purpose under cover of some globally coordinated intentional overreaction to the virus? If not that then what.
Calling the virus a scam is not clever, is arguably very stupid right now, imo.
 
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SheilaNaGig said:
I wonder what search terms people are using that gets them onto Urban as a new member right now.

I don’t know how these things work at all. Why is this place popping up on search engines right now? Is it because of all the links we’re posting?
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I seem to recall lots of long term posters saying they joined right after 9/11. Something about huge news stories makes people seek out places to talk about them? And we are talking about it a lot I suppose.
 
bimble said:
. Is it that you think all this is being done on purpose under cover of some globally coordinated intentional overreaction to the virus? If not that then what.
Calling the virus a scam is not clever, is arguably very stupid right now, imo.
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I think its possible there's have been an overreaction, Coronavirus may well have been around since time immemorial and only recently diagnosed as such. A similar analogy would be AIDS, where prior to the early 1980's it was erroneously diagnosed as Pneumonia et al. Had the likes of Rock Hudson, Liberace died a few yrs. earlier, their death certificates would have been stamped Pneumonia. What is now occurring is unprecedented and there have been many other fatal diseases/viruses around in the last 100 yrs. since the so called Spanish Flue. Incidentally, it was named the Spanish Flue because Spain was one of the few countries around at the time with an uncensored media that was actually reporting their true death toll.

As previously stated, this is a big story for the media and it is in their interest to create mass hysteria and run it as long as possible. Creating fear in people definitely helps sell newspapers and upgrade their TV ratings. After all, what have they normally got to report on, who's going to win the next Big Brother extravaganza , the Queen has a cold, Prince Harry is unhappy with his marriage, Donald Trump is sporting a new wig et al. It also coincides with a deep economic recession, which will become known as the Coronavirus recession, as opposed to yet another capitalist fuck up by the elite few running the economy,, thereby enabling the status quo of the financial system to survive relatively unscathed.

Maybe scam is too harsh a word, but convenient nevertheless.
 
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Heads up:

Bacterial infection and antibacterial resistant infection is a real concern for COVID-19 patients.

www.statnews.com

Antibiotic resistance: the hidden threat lurking behind Covid-19

As we come together to fight today's #Covid19 crisis, we must also look ahead to the next one and make sure we have new antibiotics in place to fight the bacterial infections that follow viral ones.
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“In the U.S. alone, we see 2.8 million antibiotic-resistant infections each year and more than 35,000 deaths, though experts fear that the real number is much higher [.......] The patients at greatest risk from superbugs are the ones who are already more vulnerable to illness from viral lung infections like influenza, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), and Covid-19. The 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, for example, claimed nearly 300,000 lives around the world. Many of those deaths — between 29% and 55% — were actually caused by secondary bacterial pneumonia, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It’s a one-two punch: A virus can weaken the body, making it easier for complex, hard-to-treat bacteria to take hold. [...] Already, some studies have found that 1 in 7 patients hospitalized with Covid-19 has acquired a dangerous secondary bacterial infection, and 50% of patients who have died had such infections [...] As we come together to fight today’s Covid-19 crisis, we must also look ahead to the next one. We cannot be short-sighted, and we cannot be complacent, especially about antibiotic resistance. We must put measures in place to ensure that we have the antibiotics we need — today and in the future. The time to act is now.”
 
Diatribe said:
Coronavirus may well have been around since time immemorial and only recently diagnosed as such.
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I see. Silly old scientists around the world thinking it is a new virus.
Diatribe said:
What is now occurring is unprecedented and there have been many other fatal diseases/viruses around in the last 100 yrs.
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Gosh. Really? say it ain't so. tell me more
Diatribe said:
since the so called Spanish Flue. Incidentally, it was named the Spanish Flue because Spain was one of the few countries around at the time with an uncensored media that was actually reporting their true death toll.
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Yes, thanks for that, we did know.
Diatribe said:
As previously stated, this is a big story for the media and it is in their interest to create mass hysteria and run it as long as possible. Creating fear in people definitely helps sell newspapers and upgrade their TV ratings. After all, what have they normally got to report on, who's going to win the next Big Brother extravaganza , the Queen has a cold, Prince Harry is unhappy with his marriage, Donald Trump is sporting a new wig et al.
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This is so absurdly parochial. Is it the "MSM" in China and Iran responsible for the 'hype' in those countries too or do you think maybe possibly something else has been going on, like a new extremely infectious virus to which humans have no immunity for instance.
Diatribe said:
It also coincides with a deep economic recession, which will become known as the Coronavirus recession, as opposed to yet another capitalist fuck up by the elite few running the economy,, thereby enabling the status quo of the financial system to survive relatively unscathed.
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Right, unlike all previous recessions which brought the capitalist system to its knees. I see.
Diatribe said:
Maybe scam is too harsh a word, but convenient nevertheless.
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So you're basically saying Its just Flu and the MSM is making a big fuss to get ratings. You are, ergo, an Idiot. Being a fool and cloyingly condescending at the same time is not a winning combo.
 
ruffneck23 said:
things lockdown does to you..

Went on a food shop , ended up buying a cake tin , gonna bake me a cake, except forgot most of the ingredients, ,l run out of # before i can get back to the shop , oh well minor problems, I can wait or will find a way
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You can find a way! My oven has packed up so I’m looking up recipes for stove-top cakes and stove-too bread. Tell us what ingredients you do have and we’ll help. It can be a project.
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Thanks :) . ive got eggs, butter , sugar , jam , .and thats about it for cooking stuff.
Mind you im due my daily exercise and there is a shop about 1/2 a mile away so might go there ( is that allowed ? ) and see if there is any of the other bits I need.
 
Diatribe said:
No I didn't, I quoted you verbatim.



Its jus' as well I don't suffer from Coulrophobia.:)
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Why are you using this overblown language?

Instead of inferring that two sheds is a clown, why not just say you think he’s a clown, I don’t get why you’re dressing up your opinion with affectatious sesquipedialism.

Is it because you’re not confident in your opinions so you try to make them look bigger and better than they are? If that’s it, it’s not working, you’re not fooling anyone.

You’re entitled to your opinions of course but your argument is lazy and inconsistent and doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

And you’re using some words and terms inaccurately, which undermines your efforts and makes you look foolish.

For example et al is not a more fancy version of etcetera.

Please try harder :)
 
ruffneck23 said:
Thanks :) . ive got eggs, butter , sugar , jam , .and thats about it for cooking stuff.
Mind you im due my daily exercise and there is a shop about 1/2 a mile away so might go there ( is that allowed ? ) and see if there is any of the other bits I need.
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Do you have polenta/cornflour/cornmeal?
 
Diatribe said:
I think its possible there's have been an overreaction, Coronavirus may well have been around since time immemorial and only recently diagnosed as such. A similar analogy would be AIDS, where prior to the early 1980's it was erroneously diagnosed as Pneumonia et al. Had the likes of Rock Hudson, Liberace died a few yrs. earlier, their death certificates would have been stamped Pneumonia. What is now occurring is unprecedented and there have been many other fatal diseases/viruses around in the last 100 yrs. since the so called Spanish Flue. Incidentally, it was named the Spanish Flue because Spain was one of the few countries around at the time with an uncensored media that was actually reporting their true death toll.

As previously stated, this is a big story for the media and it is in their interest to create mass hysteria and run it as long as possible. Creating fear in people definitely helps sell newspapers and upgrade their TV ratings. After all, what have they normally got to report on, who's going to win the next Big Brother extravaganza , the Queen has a cold, Prince Harry is unhappy with his marriage, Donald Trump is sporting a new wig et al. It also coincides with a deep economic recession, which will become known as the Coronavirus recession, as opposed to yet another capitalist fuck up by the elite few running the economy,, thereby enabling the status quo of the financial system to survive relatively unscathed.

Maybe scam is too harsh a word, but convenient nevertheless.
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You think think there has been an overeaction to the pandemic. Who is overreacting? In what ways are people overreacting? Do you think we should just be going about our business as normal?


You say that coronavirus may have been around since time immemorial. Coronavirus is a type of virus. So yes, we have been living with coronaviruses since before we had the scientific capacity to identify and name them. The common head cold can be caused by a rhinovirus, an adenovirus, or a coronavirus. This one is named SARS-CoV-2 and was first identified in 2019. The SARS bit stands for severe acute respiratory syndrome, the CoV bit means Coronavirus, and 2 is there because it’s the second SARS coronavirus that has been identified (the first was dealt with and pandemic avoided in 2002 and 2004).

Your suggestion that this current virus has been around for ages is bollocks. It’s what’s called a zoonotic virus, meaning it’s jumped from an animal species to humans (zoo- of animals -osis, -otis of disease). Loads of diseases have jumped from other species to humans, including the ‘flu and HIV/AIDS. This one was presumably present in animals for some time before it jumped to humans, but that jump happened very recently and we know that because we’ve never seen it before.

ETA Do you truly believe that this virus has been present in the human population prior to last winter?


Your claim that HIV/AIDS is pneumonia by another name is just stupid. I actually can’t be bothered to respond to the rest of your post but you have to know that it’s as easy to pick apart as the first bit has been.


Seriously Diatribe if you want to be half as clever as you think you are, you could do worse than sticking around and reading this place. You could really learn some stuff.
 
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ruffneck23 said:
crikey no , I only know what one of those things is and haven't got it. I'm only just starting out on this sorting the kitchen out marlakey , this is me evolving through the virus and there will be cake.
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:D


Lesson 1 : polenta is the same as cornmeal, and cornflour is also the same but ground much finer. It’s maize, or corn, like corn on the cob. It can be used to thicken up gravy or custard (cornflour is used for this). When it’s ground less fine, it’s called cornmeal. You can make a sort of porridge with it : they call that grits in the American Deep South and eat it for breakfast, in Italy they cook that porridge into a kinda rubbery wedge and that’s Polenta. They make cornmeal into cornbread in America too, often served alongside chilli con carne. Yum! And you can also make a really good cake with cornmeal too.


It’s a good store cupboard basic because it has so many different uses.

Sounds like you’ll have to make a detour to the shop for flour though... I can’t think of a cake that can be made without any carby based at all.
 
Diatribe said:
Creating fear in people definitely helps sell newspapers
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Yep, it's all a conspiracy orchestrated by the massive global newspaper industry, they're in it with the Teletext conglomerates and the League of Typewriter Repairmen. All those old and not-so-old people suddenly turning up at hospitals with acute respiratory distress are crisis actors, many of them so committed to the part that they'll obligingly die to maintain the illusion.
 
SheilaNaGig said:
And you’re using some words and terms inaccurately, which undermines your efforts and makes you look foolish.

For example et al is not a more fancy version of etcetera.
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No, it isn't , but et al can also be used as an abbreviation for et alia, et alii, or et aliae meaning ''and others'' If there are any other words and terms you think I might be using inaccurately, I'd be grateful for your clarification in order to enable me to make the necessary corrections, thank you.

With ref. my mode of writing, do you think I should get in the programme with one of them thar new fangled mobile phones and learn moronspeak:)
 
Diatribe said:
No, it isn't , but et al can also be used as an abbreviation for et alia, et allii, or et aliae meaning ''and others'' If there are any other words and terms you think I might be using inaccurately, I'd be grateful for your clarification in order to enable me to make the necessary corrections, thank you.

With ref. my mode of writing, do you think I should get in the programme with one of them thar new fangled mobile phones and learn moronspeak:)
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Good, you’ve looked it up, so now you really do know what it means.

As you say, et al is an abbreviation of the Latin for and others and is generally reserved to mean and other people.


What did you mean when you said:

Diatribe said:
Donald Trump is sporting a new wig et al
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... Trump is sporting a new wig and others...



It’s probably worth pointing out that the shortened version of influenza is ‘flu, not flue. A flue is a kind of chimney.
 
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Diatribe said:
No, it isn't , but et al can also be used as an abbreviation for et alia, et alii, or et aliae meaning ''and others'' If there are any other words and terms you think I might be using inaccurately, I'd be grateful for your clarification in order to enable me to make the necessary corrections, thank you.

With ref. my mode of writing, do you think I should get in the programme with one of them thar new fangled mobile phones and learn moronspeak:)
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No, I don’t want you to speak like a moron.

That's exaclty my point.
 
Diatribe said:
No, it isn't , but et al can also be used as an abbreviation for et alia, et alii, or et aliae meaning ''and others'' If there are any other words and terms you think I might be using inaccurately, I'd be grateful for your clarification in order to enable me to make the necessary corrections, thank you.

With ref. my mode of writing, do you think I should get in the programme with one of them thar new fangled mobile phones and learn moronspeak:)
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Ha, don’t think you quite get this place do you?
 
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